Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Dutch term or phrase:
dichtschrijven
English translation:
watertight; no loopholes [see below]
Added to glossary by
Cathalina Depoorter (X)
May 17, 2018 09:56
5 yrs ago
Dutch term
dichtschrijven
Dutch to English
Law/Patents
Law: Contract(s)
In een verslag van een advocaat aangaande een toekomstige samenwerking tussen twee bedrijven:
"De volgende aspecten worden bij deze nogmaals herhaald en behoeven verdere aandacht:
-Het uitschrijven en vooral dichtschrijven van gebeurlijke aansprakelijkheden tussen betrokken partijen.
- ....."
Kan iemand me helpen met deze term?
Alvast bedankt!
"De volgende aspecten worden bij deze nogmaals herhaald en behoeven verdere aandacht:
-Het uitschrijven en vooral dichtschrijven van gebeurlijke aansprakelijkheden tussen betrokken partijen.
- ....."
Kan iemand me helpen met deze term?
Alvast bedankt!
Proposed translations
(English)
4 +2 | watertight; no loopholes [see below] | Michael Beijer |
4 | to pin down in writing | Textpertise |
3 | seal in writing | Richard Purdom |
Proposed translations
+2
4 hrs
Dutch term (edited):
dichtschrijven; dichttimmeren
Selected
watertight; no loopholes [see below]
e.g.:
making something / ensuring something is watertight
making sure / ensuring there are no loopholes
or something along those lines
making something / ensuring something is watertight
making sure / ensuring there are no loopholes
or something along those lines
Example sentence:
In their attempt at being watertight and perfect, our laws are so wordy that they lose their spirit amongst the letters.
Dennis Hall (pictured), Iain Wishart and Paul Cleworth offer advice on how to ensure your client agreement is watertight.
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Tina Vonhof (X)
: A detailed and watertight description of...
7 mins
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Thanks!
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agree |
Kitty Brussaard
: Indeed, something along those lines and the key idea here being that things are phrased in such a way that all scenarios/eventualities (and the corresponding risks) are covered.
48 mins
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Thanks!
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Comment: "Eventually I opted for this translation. Thank you for your help!"
1 hr
to pin down in writing
Conveys the idea of watertightness raised by Michael Beijer, (see here and in the discussion) which I agree with, but still retains some of the idea of "dicht" as mentioned by Roy in the discussion. I feel its use in the article on leasing brought by Freekfluweel only fits this suggestion if you take it to mean "boxing in", which is not exactly the same meaning as I think it has here. That is why I am not completely sure of this answer. Watertightness, actually, doesn't fit its use in that leasing article either.
2 hrs
seal in writing
suggestion
You could also just use 'unambiguously' to get the same idea across
You could also just use 'unambiguously' to get the same idea across
Reference comments
33 mins
Reference:
some online usage to show possible meanings
Dat betekent niet alleen een te grote werklast voor Luc die de ‘gaten moet dichtschrijven’, het houdt ook in dat wanneer hij om welke reden dan ook wegvalt, het tijdschrift waarschijnlijk zijn langste tijd heeft gehad.
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Uitgangspunt is dichtschrijven wat kan en open laten wat nog uitgewerkt moet ......
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De heer Van Krieken: Ja. De Staat wilde een internationale tender doen. Er waren op dat moment maar twee leveranciers van 300 km/u-treinen: de Duitse industrie en de Franse industrie. Je kunt de specificaties niet zo dichtschrijven dat alleen de Thalys erin past.
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Vandaar dat ik zeg dat we moeten oppassen niet door te schieten in onze eigen regeldrang, ik heb diverse stadia in de 1/1 luchtvaart meegemaakt waarbij men ook dacht dat met het dichtschrijven van procedures de zaak veiliger werd.
Niet dus, integendeel.
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i.e. to make something watertight
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Note added at 36 mins (2018-05-17 10:32:44 GMT)
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Oxforddictionaries.com:
watertight:
(Of an argument or account) unable to be disputed or questioned
usage examples:
– their alibis are watertight
– At least I've finally found a watertight argument against Alec ever moving me to the countryside.
– That argument is not watertight, however, because existing law does not formally allow euthanasia, for a variety of reasons mentioned briefly above.
– I will lay it on the line - there is not one such fossil for which one could make a watertight argument.
– But if you are going to claim that Mexican immigrants don't want to be Americans, your argument had better be watertight.
– A fully informed, carefully and methodically reasoned, conceptually watertight political argument lies well outside them.
– I've no doubt there all kinds of holes in this logic, and many examples that could suggest these arguments are less than watertight.
– No justification is good enough - or none short of a watertight deductive argument, and all but the sceptics will agree that this is too much to demand.
– In their attempt at being watertight and perfect, our laws are so wordy that they lose their spirit amongst the letters.
– Why, he asks, cannot the protagonists accept that their opponents' arguments, even if not entirely watertight, may nevertheless be partly correct?
– Phillip's argument isn't exactly the most watertight.
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Uitgangspunt is dichtschrijven wat kan en open laten wat nog uitgewerkt moet ......
;**************************************************
De heer Van Krieken: Ja. De Staat wilde een internationale tender doen. Er waren op dat moment maar twee leveranciers van 300 km/u-treinen: de Duitse industrie en de Franse industrie. Je kunt de specificaties niet zo dichtschrijven dat alleen de Thalys erin past.
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Vandaar dat ik zeg dat we moeten oppassen niet door te schieten in onze eigen regeldrang, ik heb diverse stadia in de 1/1 luchtvaart meegemaakt waarbij men ook dacht dat met het dichtschrijven van procedures de zaak veiliger werd.
Niet dus, integendeel.
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i.e. to make something watertight
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Note added at 36 mins (2018-05-17 10:32:44 GMT)
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Oxforddictionaries.com:
watertight:
(Of an argument or account) unable to be disputed or questioned
usage examples:
– their alibis are watertight
– At least I've finally found a watertight argument against Alec ever moving me to the countryside.
– That argument is not watertight, however, because existing law does not formally allow euthanasia, for a variety of reasons mentioned briefly above.
– I will lay it on the line - there is not one such fossil for which one could make a watertight argument.
– But if you are going to claim that Mexican immigrants don't want to be Americans, your argument had better be watertight.
– A fully informed, carefully and methodically reasoned, conceptually watertight political argument lies well outside them.
– I've no doubt there all kinds of holes in this logic, and many examples that could suggest these arguments are less than watertight.
– No justification is good enough - or none short of a watertight deductive argument, and all but the sceptics will agree that this is too much to demand.
– In their attempt at being watertight and perfect, our laws are so wordy that they lose their spirit amongst the letters.
– Why, he asks, cannot the protagonists accept that their opponents' arguments, even if not entirely watertight, may nevertheless be partly correct?
– Phillip's argument isn't exactly the most watertight.
Discussion
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You are rather missing a point. They are not both fine because there appears to be a BE/AE difference. That is supported by the OED which describes the figurative use of airtight (as in "cannot be faulted, incontrovertible") as originally US, first appearing in 1901 and having appeared on the east side of the Atlantic only recently. So, if you want to communicate in BE, much better to use "watertight" which has been used figuratively for over 350 years. If in AE it seems both will do, but airtight is, perhaps, to be favoured.
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Ex.:
"Before any contractor starts work, the client needs a legally watertight contract in place nailing down every detail of what they’ll deliver, when, and for how much."
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or "making sure / ensuring there are no loopholes"
both common phrases when it comes to contracts, etc.
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