Aug 21, 2012 12:29
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French term

La mesure l'OCDE

French to English Bus/Financial Finance (general)
Hi.

the context is an article about France's development aid for poor countries.

"Ces ambitions se sont inscrites dans le champ de l’aide telle que la mesure l’OCDE. Cette référence présente l’avantage de l’universalité mais elle fait régulièrement l’objet de critiques."

My colleague has suggested the following but I am not convinced by the translation for "mesure" or "référence":
"According to OECD standards, France's initiatives fall into the aid category. These standards present the advantage of being recognised universally but are often the subject of criticism"

Elsewhere it was suggested "référence" be left out, but it is included again several times later on in the article ("Elle recouvre des ambitions diverses").
Thanks in advance.
Proposed translations (English)
3 +5 as defined by OECD
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Discussion

Nikki Scott-Despaigne Aug 21, 2012:
@ Polyglot45 You're right!
polyglot45 Aug 21, 2012:
le champ de l’aide telle que la mesure l’OCDE @NS-D - "telle" refers back to "aide". "La" refers also to "aide". The subject of the verb is l'OCDE" = as it is measured by OECD (literally)
Nikki Scott-Despaigne Aug 21, 2012:
Comment on original I would expect one of two posibilities as the sentence is phrased :
"... telle que la mesure DE l'OCDE."
"... telle que la mesure OCDE".
The former is probably the correct form in terms of grammar, but it is common to omit "de la, de l'-, du, des".
In either case, its interpretation is ambiguous. Does this mean the measure which has been adopted by the OECD, or does it mean the OECD measure which others are to use? Is is descriptive/informative of what the OECD has done, or is it instructive of an OECD model others are to follow?
'"la" refers to "l'aide", the help as measured by the OECD

Proposed translations

+5
14 mins
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as defined by OECD

"Ces ambitions se sont inscrites dans le champ de l’aide telle que la mesure l’OCDE. Cette référence présente l’avantage de l’universalité mais elle fait régulièrement l’objet de critiques."
France's initiatives fall into the aid category, (if gauged) according to OECD definitions. The plus side of these definitions is that they are recognised universally; the downside is that they are open to frequent criticism

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Note added at 54 mins (2012-08-21 13:24:14 GMT)
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if gauged = optional - given largely by way of explanation. Depends on your style
Note from asker:
That looks good. Just one thing; by placing "if gauged" in brackets do you mean it is an alternative to "according to" or that it could be included? Thanks.
Peer comment(s):

agree mimi 254 : Yes!
19 mins
agree Nikki Scott-Despaigne : Or even "'as measured" by the OECD.
1 hr
agree Timothy Rake
1 hr
neutral Pascale van Kempen-Herlant : I suggested "as measured by the OECD" from the beginning but no one seemed to have noticed, oh poor me. No problem, if you don't like "measured" :-) I am not a native speaker but does "define" in English correspond to "mesurer" in French?
2 hrs
I don't really like "measured"
agree rkillings : Exactly. As defined for the purpose of measuring what constitutes 'aid'. Or, 'according to the OECD metric', if you want to invoke jargon.;-)
14 hrs
agree Wolf Draeger : by the OECD :-)
2 days 3 hrs
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2 days 3 hrs
Reference:

OECD Official Development Assistance (ODA)

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