Björn Vrooman Apr 15, 2019:

Hello Wolfram, hello Michael I'm so sorry for not having replied sooner. Only been back basically today and may not stay long; went off the grid, as there was too much to coordinate--getting old here!

In any case, Michael, my criticism wasn't directed at you. I apologize if that wasn't clear. The issue is that, e.g., constitutionalists, who are on the right of the politicial spectrum have nothing in common with white supremacists and yet, they are often tied together by the label of being "right-wing," as Europeans understand it.

Here's a pretty good summary of the differences: https://beyondthecusp.wordpress.com/2011/09/07/right-vs-left...

The big issue is that, as said below, these two parties are "big-tent parties," as in they are made up of a lot of different people from different backgrounds.

Michael: Take the CSU, for example. As regards immigration, they are certainly to the right of those Republicans who were part of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_of_Eight_(immigration)

And AOC: https://www.mysanantonio.com/opinion/commentary/article/Amaz...

As a taxpayer, doesn't this make you weep?

Best wishes

Michael Martin, MA Apr 1, 2019:

Hey Björn! Slander? Really? That's a big word. Maybe I sounded like I was trying to take cheap shots at Republicans but I was actually just trying to place them on a political scale without being accusatory about where they might be placed. In fact, the flip side of my argument is that it's quite possible to be fully on board with all fundamental democratic norms and principles and be right of the CSU. Here's the question, though: is that easier to imagine for the US than for Germany? If that's the case, that would bear out my contention that the political center here is probably farther to the right than in Germany. Of course, anyone can take issue with that idea but somehow I don't think I'm going out on a limb there. But the best way to examine where any political party stands is to ignore fringe issues and identity politics and look at their actual record on bread-and-butter issues such as economic performance, taxation, healthcare, immigration, infrastructure, crime and gun control.
BTW - "cow-farting AOC"? Ouch. Should I not have mentioned the very stable genius in my other comment?

Wolfram Weinberg, PhD (asker) Mar 31, 2019:

i fully agree thank you for your considerate guidance with so much insight

Björn Vrooman Mar 31, 2019:

The usual meaning of Dumpfbacken would be "the simple-minded." Now, if I read an article such as this one...
https://www.berliner-kurier.de/news/politik---wirtschaft/spr...

...it seems to fit the alt-right definition at the link given in my previous post.

I'm not sure we're talking about the same definition in this context:
"Unser Spitzenkandidat Manfred Weber macht deshalb unmissverständlich klar: 'Ich kämpfe dafür, dass rechte Dumpfbacken wie aus der AfD oder die Le Pen-Partei keine politische Verantwortung bekommen.' Gleiches müsse aber auch für linke Populisten gelten."
https://www.csu.de/common/csu/content/csu/hauptnavigation/ak...

I'm not certain that equates to simple-minded. Maybe the following (in bold) would suffice:
"But there is mounting evidence that Europe’s nationalist, xenophobic and populist fringe is finding it more difficult to attract voters."
https://www.politico.eu/article/the-populists-havent-won-yet...

Björn Vrooman Mar 31, 2019:

Good morning Esther and Wolfram Basket of deplorables was one of HRC's biggest campaign gaffes; I don't think you should mention this in any way.

I'd like your input, though, since I also need to ask Wolfram something still: Wolfram, is that example you provided very similar to the one you'd like to have translated? If so, I think I'll have to rethink my approach.

I stick to what I said regarding alt-right, far right and extreme or ultra-right, as well as white supremacists/nationalists. Here's an article about this, for example:
https://www.wired.com/story/stormfront-alt-right

I don't agree with Michael that the CSU is "clearly left of the GOP," considering the moderate wing of the party in states such as Maine.

I think living in one of the most Liberal (with a big L) states in the US seems to make people believe that all of "flyover country" is a bunch of right-wing nutters (another word to add to your list, though it's British in origin). Cow-farting AOC is, I hope, not anyone's idol on this forum.

As said, you have two "big-tent" parties in the US. Slandering millions of people, as happened before, because you don't agree with their political views is not helpful in translating such documents...

Esther Pugh Mar 31, 2019:

Having witnessed the campaigns and voted in the 2016 elections myself, the "basket of deplorables" comes to mind.

Wolfram Weinberg, PhD (asker) Mar 30, 2019:

I'll be happy to wait for you to make it to an answer for points
it gives me time to perhaps change it to "far-right nitwits" for who the CSU wants to fight as European
thank you

Björn Vrooman Mar 30, 2019:

PS However, I need to add that I asked out of curiosity because two people brought up the words "right wing"; however, this wasn't part of your question. I will agree with Gordon. Happy to help, points or no points.

Best

Björn Vrooman Mar 30, 2019:

Anytime. And I could probably do that tomorrow if OK, but I feel I should add a note.

Some links to support what you said:
https://euobserver.com/eu-election/139058
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/31/german...
https://www.dw.com/en/what-is-a-german-alt-right-ngo-doing-i...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW-1Bmopzmk
https://abcnews.go.com/International/angela-merkel-emmanuel-...
https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/local-news/ukip-leader...

Though, morons is quite a good choice, too. Here's an example from the Daily Caller, which is on the right of the political spectrum:
"I tweet way too much, so I might as well get some use out of it. Here’s a selection of my reaction to these alt-right morons, starting from the first time I heard about them in the spring of 2016..."
https://dailycaller.com/2017/08/16/i-dont-like-the-alt-right...

Should your Dumpfbacken don't fit this Cambridge definition (a good one, actually), then far or extreme may be better: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/alt-righ...

Best wishes

Wolfram Weinberg, PhD (asker) Mar 30, 2019:

can you make this into an answer? so that I can select it as the most helpful for you to get the credit for it

Wolfram Weinberg, PhD (asker) Mar 30, 2019:

THANK YOU! for so much good insight
i am going with "alt-right nitwits"

Björn Vrooman Mar 30, 2019:

Hello Wolfram Having read a lot about this after Charlottesville and other events, I'd prefer

- alt-right
- neo-Nazi
- white supremacist/nationalist

I'm sure you aware that while the European perspective on what constitutes right and left can be partly adapted to describe those groups in the States, the left in Europe is pretty much the left in the US, but the right consists of a religious, a moderate, a constitutional and an alt-right wing.

Some can't stand each other and certain conservatives will look at you funny should you try to pass off the NSDAP as being to the right of them; they regard this as left-wing ideology (after all, the S stands for Socialist).

"Far-right" could be some kind of compromise here.

As for Dumpfbacken, I wouldn't make it that strong; maybe

- dunces
- dolts
- nitwits
- idiots

..though I'd also be OK with dimwit or moron. I would post some links, but everything has gotten so hyperpartisan that I don't feel comfortable doing this at present.

Plus, the CSU would most likely be described as right-wing by Liberals in the States. It would make no sense to use that word in this context.

Best

Wolfram Weinberg, PhD (asker) Mar 30, 2019:

being in the middle of it - - what do you think about "right-wing"?
thank you - wolfram

Björn Vrooman Mar 30, 2019:

@Wolfram OK, I'm pretty much a long-time observer of the U.S. political landscape. My first question to you is: What word will you use for "rechten"?

Best wishes