Glossary entry

German term or phrase:

Exzellenz, Madame,

English translation:

Sir, Madam,/Your Excellency, Madame/Excellency

Added to glossary by Hilary Davies Shelby
Jun 10, 2005 14:10
19 yrs ago
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German term

Exzellenz, Madame,

German to English Other General / Conversation / Greetings / Letters letter to ambassador and wife
Hello all,

This is a letter addressed to an ambassador (it's a form letter, for foreign ambassadors in general, so no specific country involved here) and his wife. How do I address them both in a letter in English?

Many thanks!

Hilary.

Discussion

Michael McWilliam Jun 10, 2005:
I think you need the target audience as well. The address would be different terms in UK vs.US English (IMO)
Non-ProZ.com Jun 10, 2005:
I bet my life this bloke has not thought of the possibility of a female ambassador receiving this letter - you should read some of the non-PC stuff he comes out with...shower cabinets have all been done and dusted, so to speak, this is this AFTERNOON's "delight" - shower cabinets was this MORNING ;-) I need to grade that question!
Louise Gough Jun 10, 2005:
Jalapeno has a point - Debretts doesn't seem to make any provision for female ambassadors!
BTW, is this a covering letter for a brocure on shower cabinets? :-)
Jalapeno Jun 10, 2005:
Just a quick note: Aren't there female ambassadors as well? I hope your client has considered that and is actually producing two form letters...
Non-ProZ.com Jun 10, 2005:
Hello! Sorry, maybe I wasn't very clear - I am looking for the saluation you would use in a letter ("Dear..."), in English ;-)

Proposed translations

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30 mins
Selected

Sir, Madam,

Not sure about this, but it's based on the info at http://www.debretts.co.uk/etiquette/correct_forms_of_address...

Peer comment(s):

agree Ian M-H (X) : This is the guide to follow for BE usage and if anyone gets upset later it's a safe reference.
3 days 17 hrs
Thanks.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "These could all be right! I used this one and sent the client a note referring to Webster's and Frosty's notes and pointing out the differing opinions/styles. Thanks very much, all!"
11 mins

Eure Exzellenz, Frau ...

I did something similar recently and now hope I was right!

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Note added at 25 mins (2005-06-10 14:36:10 GMT)
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and i gave it to you in german by mistake!, david is right!
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+1
12 mins

His Excellency (name) and Mrs (name)

appears to be the way The Times publishes these in its Court Circular.

See:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,61-1099483_2,00.html

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Note added at 28 mins (2005-06-10 14:39:18 GMT)
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Clear, silfilla is right; it would be \"Your Excellency, Madam\" in the letter itself, I think
Peer comment(s):

agree Stephen Sadie : can do both, slight preference for silfilla's solution
13 mins
neutral Francis Lee (X) : I think "Your Excellency ..." would be the right option for an address/speech, but not for a letter / Yes, that's how The Times REFERS to them, but ...
1 hr
neutral silfilla : with Francis
1 hr
neutral Raghunathan Rajagopalan : with Francis and Sifilla
9 hrs
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29 mins

Dear Mr. Ambassador, Dear Mrs. ...

according to Webster's!

The ambassdor alone would be addressed as *Excellency:* in a letter.

in a general reference invitation: *His/Her Excellency, NAME, Ambassador of ...*

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Note added at 43 mins (2005-06-10 14:54:08 GMT)
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or, of course:

Dear Mrs. Ambassador, Dear Mr. ...
Peer comment(s):

agree Francis Lee (X)
45 mins
thanks, Francis
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+2
1 hr

Ambassador, foreign

According to Chambers Office Oracle:
Address on envelope: "His/Her Excellency the Ambassador of ..." or "His/Her Excellency the Ambassador". The wife of an Ambassador is not entitled to the style `Her Excellency´.
Begin: "Your Excellency", refer to as "Your Excellency" once, thereafter as "you".
Close: "I have the honour to be, Sir/Madam (or, according to rank), Your Excellency`s obedient servant".
Spoken address: "Your Excellency" at least once, thereafter "Sir" or Madam", or by name.
Is that obsequious enough?
Peer comment(s):

agree Dr.G.MD (X)
28 mins
Thankyou, Gerhard
agree Lancashireman : It is
2 hrs
Thankyou, Andrew
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