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Glossary entry

German term or phrase:

den Geburtstag seiner Frau "herauslas"

English translation:

read his wife's birthday in his horoscope

Added to glossary by Helen Shiner
Oct 14, 2009 18:48
14 yrs ago
German term

den Geburtstag seiner Frau "herauslas"

German to English Other Esoteric practices
This was translated as "seeing" (with the quotes around it) by a non-ProZ translator, as in ' “seeing” his wife’s birthday' (see context below).

Would there be a clearer way to explain the context below in English? "'seeing' his wife's birthday" is unclear to me, mostly because there's no indication in that translation that P.F. wasn't already married at the time. The narrator of this sentence saw what P.F. as-yet-unmet future wife's birthday would be BEFORE he had met her, I think. Maybe "seeing" is ok in this astrological-chart context, but I want to add something about the timing here. Thank you very much in advance. Here's the context:

"Da Sie P.F. schon erwähnt haben, darf ich Ihnen mitteilen, dass dieser seine im [name of book] noch sehr negative Einstellung zur Astrologie mittlerweile etwas abgemildert hat, ohne deswegen gleich zum Freund der Sterndeutung zu werden. Ich schmeichle mir, dazu beigetragen zu haben, indem ich ihm einmal aus seinem eigenen Geburtshoroskop den Geburtstag seiner Frau >>herauslas
Proposed translations (English)
3 +4 read his [future] wife's birthday in his horoscope
4 deduced his wife's birthday (from his birth chart)
3 -2 celebration
Change log

Oct 15, 2009 23:02: Helen Shiner Created KOG entry

Votes to reclassify question as PRO/non-PRO:

Non-PRO (1): Helen Shiner

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Discussion

BrettMN (asker) Oct 15, 2009:
Your point is well taken, Lonnie. Thank you. I won't mention the "future" part. I get now that it was in P.F.'s natal chart, so "future wife" or not is irrelevant (or, more importantly, not implicit in the original material).
Lonnie Legg Oct 15, 2009:
FUTURE or current wife? Brett writes: "no indication in that translation that P.F. WASN'T already married at the time". As I've stated below, for the reading/deduction, it's irrelevant when the wife appeared or will appear in the man's life. The point here is that the speaker's deduction impressed P.F., the skeptic, by matching the wife's birthday. But it doesn't tell us whether P.F. was impressed at the time of the reading (i.e. he knew wife & birthday) or subsequently (when he met his wife).

Proposed translations

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read his [future] wife's birthday in his horoscope

Well you could say it this way

or saw it in his horoscope
was able to read it from his horoscope

All of these things are said in such an informal context. For me the confusion lies only in the lack of 'future' in the sentence. Does its addition make things clearer, do you think, or am I missing the point?

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Note added at 15 mins (2009-10-14 19:04:04 GMT)
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That should obviously be 'in/from his own horoscope', which gives a greater stress

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Note added at 1 hr (2009-10-14 19:58:07 GMT)
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herauslesen means 'to read something out of' or 'to read something from' in better EN.

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Note added at 1 hr (2009-10-14 19:59:21 GMT)
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And that should be 'birthchart' really and not 'horoscope'

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Note added at 1 day4 hrs (2009-10-15 23:03:16 GMT) Post-grading
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Thank you for the points, BrettMN
Peer comment(s):
agree Annett Kottek (X) : Yes, the speaker read the birthday of P.F.'s wife in P.F.'s horoscope. ‘Future wife’ should be clear enough if one wants to emphasize that the speaker could have had no prior knowledge of it.
1 hr
Thanks, Annett, but I guess I would prefer 'birth chart' since this is the chart based on the moment of birth rather than current transits.
agree Barbara Wiebking
1 hr
Thanks, kriddl
agree Bianca Marsden-Day : 'Read' is preferable to 'see', I would say.
12 hrs
Thanks, Bianca - I agree
agree Lonnie Legg : Without pertinent information, I advise against "FUTURE wife". If my interpretation is correct, it's irrelevant whether the wife is current or future--or even unborn or deceased. /Not necessary--and possibly wrong. (Re your conclusion, see discussion.)
16 hrs
Thanks, Lonnie - I agree not strictly necessary, though apparently the case from the context.
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-2
44 mins

celebration

herauslassen = celebrate (= only 1 option)

so, herauslas would be celebration I think
Peer comment(s):
disagree Annett Kottek (X) : Sorry, no. The verb is past tense of 'herauslesen', and ‘etwas aus etw. herauslesen’ means to ‘read something into sth.’
22 mins
disagree Kim Metzger : Back to school?
5 hrs
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17 hrs

deduced his wife's birthday (from his birth chart)

I assume the astrologer is saying that, in analyzing the man's birth chart, he recognized a planetary position (possibly, a constellation) indicating the man's spouse's own birth sun position (sign and degree) -- thus her birthday.
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