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Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

fermeture sur un redon

English translation:

surgical wound closed with redon (drain) catheter

Added to glossary by Drmanu49
Mar 10, 2010 10:25
14 yrs ago
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French term

fermeture sur un redon

French to English Medical Medical (general) surgery
This is in a surgical report which I am translating - I would just like some confirmation of the meaning of this phase in the following context:

"Suture du muscle tibial antérieur par une série de points en croix;

La mobilisation du genou n'entraîne pas de traction sur la suture nerveuse.

Fermeture sur un redon, agrafes sur la peau - réalisation d'une botte plâtrée postérieure..."

Many thanks in advance.
Proposed translations (English)
4 +1 surgical wound closed with redon (drain) catheter
3 +1 skin closure over a suction drain
Change log

Mar 10, 2010 10:27: Stéphanie Soudais changed "Term asked" from "fermeture sur un redon, agrafes sur la peau" to "fermeture sur un redon"

Mar 18, 2010 12:55: Drmanu49 changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/1135127">Callum Walker's</a> old entry - "fermeture sur un redon"" to ""surgical wound closed with redon (drain) catheter""

Discussion

liz askew Mar 18, 2010:
Fair enough. Though this query is now in the distant past, but will no doubt come up again in the future:)
Drmanu49 Mar 18, 2010:
I owe an apology to Liz and Sue for my case. I underwent shoulder surgery and had redon static drainage into apocket; I then underwent hand surgery and initially had a suction drain which was removed a couple of hours later. I went and asked the surgeon who said it was that but the term was shortened on the basic operative report and mentioned only on the complete patient file.
liz askew Mar 11, 2010:
Jolly dee! [will do my all own research in future:)]
SJLD Mar 11, 2010:
Yes, AKA perforated drain.
liz askew Mar 11, 2010:
So, in actual fact it could be a Redon drainage tube.
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redon drainage tube on www.freepoc.org
Redon Drain Tube Mediflon Suruflon IV Cannula IV Cannulae 3 Way Stop Cock IV Giving Sets Medical Disposables Surgical Equipments Healthcare Products . ...
www.freepoc.org/forum/new/index.php?q=redon drainage tube - Cached
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WOUND DRAIN - Medical Supplies
TUBE DRAIN REDON 10FG STERILE MEDICOPLAST, 75510, EA, MEDICOPLAST ... DRAIN SILICONE ROUND 12FG 50CM X-RAY 5 HOLE LINE SURIMEX, 221931, EA, SURIMEX ...
www.medicalcollective.com/WOUND_DRAIN.html - Cached - Similar
liz askew Mar 10, 2010:
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Redon, drain de, ou redon : Dictionnaire pharmaceutique ...
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Redon, drain de, ou redon : Tube souple percé de trous à l'extrémité disposée dans une plaie opératoire, et dont l'autre extrémité est reliée à un bocal où ...
www.informationhospitaliere.com/pharma-10346-redon-drain-re... - Cached - Similar
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Drainage (chirurgical) - Wikipédia
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Le drain de Redon ou Redon (mis au point par le français Henri Redon en 1954). Il s'agit d'un tube de matière souple, percé de nombreux trous, ...
fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drainage_(chirurgical) - Cached - Similar
liz askew Mar 10, 2010:
Subcutaneous Redon drains do not reduce the incidence of surgical ...
by PK Baier
8 Jan 2010 ... subcutaneous drain or not. In this study, we used the so-called. Redon system—a closed suction drain made of polyurethane ...
www.springerlink.com/index/3031037243310v77.pdf
liz askew Mar 10, 2010:
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/french_to_english/medical_general/...
SJLD Mar 10, 2010:
May be true for your surgeon, but there are many examples of "drain de Redon" in French where it is quite obviously referring to a suction drain, and not qualified by "aspiratif". If you use Redon in English, most people will think "suction".
Drmanu49 Mar 10, 2010:
For the French surgeon it is called a redon and that is what she wrote down in the OR. If it had been a suction drain she would have written redon aspiratif.
SJLD Mar 10, 2010:
Then it's a simple perforated drain.
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/french_to_english/medical:_cardiol...
Drmanu49 Mar 10, 2010:
suction is made with vacuum. But I just had a redon removed after hand surgery and it certainly was not a suction drain. Written on the OR: fermeture avec redon. In that case, it is just pressure from wound which causes fluid to leak out, no suction at all.
liz askew Mar 10, 2010:
Hello SJLD
Thank you for the additional information. Always useful, especially when other linguists come to search for this term.
SJLD Mar 10, 2010:
The French use "redon" to designate the suction drain as they use "kleenex" to designate a paper tissue. If it is not capitalised there is no need to use Redon. Or you can use "Redon-type drain". As a rule I avoid brand names if there is no particular call to use them.
SJLD Mar 10, 2010:
http://www.informationhospitaliere.com/pharma-10346-redon-dr...

Redon, drain de, ou redon
Tube souple percé de trous à l'extrémité disposée dans une plaie opératoire, et dont l'autre extrémité est reliée à un bocal où un vide continu est créé pour aspirer les sérosités et le sang de la plaie.
SJLD Mar 10, 2010:
Redon drains are suction drains http://www.ledamed.org/IMG/html/doc-10533.html

Le drain aspiratif simple
Le plus connu est le drain de Jost-Redon, petit drain en plastique siliconé, multiperforé à une extrémité, relié à l'autre extrémité à une tubulure et un bocal où le vide est renouvelé régulièrement. Ce drain est très utile pour affaisser les espaces morts (zones de décollement chirurgical par exemple).

Proposed translations

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surgical wound closed with redon (drain) catheter

de M Kirsch - 2001 - Cité 34 fois - Autres articles
All patients underwent initial surgical debridement and closed drainage using Redon catheters. A mean of 4.2 ± 2.1 intrathoracic and 1.3 ± 1.0 presternal ...
ats.ctsnetjournals.org/cgi/content/full/71/5/1580

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Efficacy of surgical wound drainage in orthopaedic trauma patients: a randomized ... operations in relation to Redon drainage and pressure bandages. ...
www.ejbjs.org/cgi/content/long/86/6/1146

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Note added at 3 hrs (2010-03-10 14:03:51 GMT)
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If redon is mentioned, it must be translated as such.

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Note added at 3 hrs (2010-03-10 14:05:20 GMT)
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And it is NOT redon aspiratif in the source text.
Peer comment(s):
agree Lionel_M (X) : By chance you avoid "basic mistake"
31 mins
Thank you Lionel.
neutral liz askew : You don't close a wound "with" a drain, but "over" one. A basic mistake.
4 hrs
with is coherent with insertion as mentioned Liz. It is not just the skin.
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18 mins

skin closure over a suction drain

http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:wyv7g8Y_ricJ:www.lib.ui...

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Note added at 18 mins (2010-03-10 10:44:37 GMT)
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F. Following flap harvest, meticulous hemostasis is obtained. The anterior rectus sheath is closed over a 10 mm, fully perforated suction drain with 0.0 prolene suture. The drain is brought in superiorly. The skin is closed with subcutaneous sutures of 2-0 vicryl over a 10 mm, fully perforated suction drain brought in inferiorly. The skin is closed with staples, and an abdominal binder is applied.

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Note added at 19 mins (2010-03-10 10:45:50 GMT)
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Muscle Transposition for Treatment of Osteomyelitis of the Tibia
by PB Thomsen - 1985 - Cited by 6 - Related articles
direct skin closure possible. Closed suction drainage for 3 to 20 days (average 12 .... soft tissue loss over the tibia. Ugeskr Laeg 132, 1048. ...
informahealthcare.com/doi/ref/10.3109/02844318509052868

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23 Below-knee Amputation
by M Malawer - Cited by 1 - Related articles
Using drill holes in the distal tibia, the major muscle groups are attached to ... Figure 23.9 Closure of superficial fascia and skin over suction drains. ...
www.springerlink.com/index/u63734043qt24n34.pdf - Similar

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"redon aspiratif" > [Redon's]suction drain
3 posts - 2 authors - Last post: 2 Dec 2007
(KudoZ) French to English translation of redon aspiratif: [Redon's]suction drain [Medical (general) (Medical)].
www.proz.com/kudoz/french_to.../2288159-redon_aspiratif.htm... - Cached

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UMVF/Talking Dictionary
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redon — suction drain. redressé — upright / erect / straightened. redresser (se) — straighten up. réduction — reduction / thinning. réduire — reduce ...
medecine3.u-bourgogne.fr/talkingdict/FA_R.htm - Cached - Similar
Peer comment(s):
agree SJLD : yep, a "redon" is a suction drain (not necessarily of the brand Redon) - wound closure (not just skin) - with insertion of suction drain/It's the skin and subcutaneous tissue being closed - not the muscle in fact.
13 mins
Thank you! This came up before and fortunately I remember it!
neutral Lionel_M (X) : Why skin closure ? It's a muscle//No but as pointed out by Sue, all the wound should be closed, in particular here the muscle. Not only the skin if you don't want oedema; just a "basic mistake" :)
3 hrs
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