Dec 31, 2022 11:54
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Spanish term
Native in: English
Works in: Spanish to English, Portuguese to English, Catalan to English
juicio universal
Spanish to English
Law/Patents
Real Estate
History of the Spanish Property Register
Hi All,
Would really appreciate any help with the above term in the following context. I've seen that it has previously been translated as bankruptcy proceedings, but I don't think that fits in this case?
Many thanks in advance,
Darren
Históricamente, los mecanismos tradicionales de seguridad se quedaron obsoletos durante el siglo XIX, ya que el mercado no era eficaz si permitía la celebración de un juicio universal por cada transacción o compraventa, ni tampoco podía esperar el cumplimiento de los plazos de usucapión.
Would really appreciate any help with the above term in the following context. I've seen that it has previously been translated as bankruptcy proceedings, but I don't think that fits in this case?
Many thanks in advance,
Darren
Históricamente, los mecanismos tradicionales de seguridad se quedaron obsoletos durante el siglo XIX, ya que el mercado no era eficaz si permitía la celebración de un juicio universal por cada transacción o compraventa, ni tampoco podía esperar el cumplimiento de los plazos de usucapión.
Proposed translations
(English)
| 3 +1 | (Land Reg.) general adjudication effective erga omnes; (probate/bankruptcy) class action |
Adrian MM.
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| 3 | legal proceedings |
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Adrian MM.
Austria
Austria
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Austria
Retd.T&I, Barrister & Austro-Advokat
Native in: English (Variants: British, Scottish) 
Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish, French to English, and 5 more.
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(Land Reg.) general adjudication effective erga omnes; (probate/bankruptcy) class action
Bankruptcy proceedings is setting the scene, rather than a translation that clearly goes a different way for UK land registration or US real estate recordation (*public record*) purposes.
In AT's discussion-entry wiki ref.:
'En este artículo se detectaron varios problemas. Por favor, edítalo para mejorarlo: Necesita *referencias adicionales* para su verificación. Podría ser *difícil de entender* para lectores interesados en el tema.'
....si permitía la celebración de un juicio universal por cada transacción o compraventa : if it permitted the conducting /holding of a general ('wholesale or bulk') adjudication process effective erga omnes for each transaction or conveyance on sale (so as a judgment in rem or 'against the whole world' vs. in personam, as between the specific parties to the transaction).
juicio universal : 'proceedings involving a person's entire estate (in bankruptcy or probate matters)', West.
ProZ: comprehensive trials www.proz.com/kudoz/spanish-to-english/law-patents/547727-ju... NB comprehensive class action strategies refers to the strategies, rather than the class actions: 'Our team has ample experience in defining comprehensive class action strategies.'
> plus, actions on behalf of all creditors or heirs, Robb + https://www.proz.com/kudoz/spanish-to-english/law-patents/19...
Trial of several consolidated claims : German explanation in Couture, Vocabulario jurídico español y latín, Montevideo + Bs. As.
In AT's discussion-entry wiki ref.:
'En este artículo se detectaron varios problemas. Por favor, edítalo para mejorarlo: Necesita *referencias adicionales* para su verificación. Podría ser *difícil de entender* para lectores interesados en el tema.'
....si permitía la celebración de un juicio universal por cada transacción o compraventa : if it permitted the conducting /holding of a general ('wholesale or bulk') adjudication process effective erga omnes for each transaction or conveyance on sale (so as a judgment in rem or 'against the whole world' vs. in personam, as between the specific parties to the transaction).
juicio universal : 'proceedings involving a person's entire estate (in bankruptcy or probate matters)', West.
ProZ: comprehensive trials www.proz.com/kudoz/spanish-to-english/law-patents/547727-ju... NB comprehensive class action strategies refers to the strategies, rather than the class actions: 'Our team has ample experience in defining comprehensive class action strategies.'
> plus, actions on behalf of all creditors or heirs, Robb + https://www.proz.com/kudoz/spanish-to-english/law-patents/19...
Trial of several consolidated claims : German explanation in Couture, Vocabulario jurídico español y latín, Montevideo + Bs. As.
Example sentence:
A judgment in rem is an adjudication, pronounced upon the status of some particular subject-matter, by a tribunal having competent authority for that purpose.
US Law Professor: The most persuasive of the arguments supporting *universal jurisdiction to adjudicate / over offenses / erga omnes*
Reference:
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Works in: French to English, English, English to French
Related KudoZ points
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106
legal proceedings
I cannot see how every land transaction could have involved bankruptcy
My gut feeling tells me that this was akin to the situation in late medieval England whereby a fictitous "trial" was held to determine whether the seller really owned the land, followed by a "judgment" under the terms of which the buyer became the legal owner
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Note added at 3 days 10 hrs (2023-01-03 22:44:39 GMT)
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Medieval Conveyancing | A History of the Land Law
https://academic.oup.com › book › chapter
The classical-medieval conveyance was the feoffment with livery of seisin. ... lord's feudal court—was required for the validity of transactions by tenants.
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Note added at 3 days 10 hrs (2023-01-03 22:48:42 GMT)
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Land and property ownership: conveyances by feet of fines ...
https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk › research-guides
Medieval feet of fines made before the royal courts of law 1195-1509 are in ... taken out in addition to other types of deed transferring the property.
My gut feeling tells me that this was akin to the situation in late medieval England whereby a fictitous "trial" was held to determine whether the seller really owned the land, followed by a "judgment" under the terms of which the buyer became the legal owner
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Note added at 3 days 10 hrs (2023-01-03 22:44:39 GMT)
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Medieval Conveyancing | A History of the Land Law
https://academic.oup.com › book › chapter
The classical-medieval conveyance was the feoffment with livery of seisin. ... lord's feudal court—was required for the validity of transactions by tenants.
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Note added at 3 days 10 hrs (2023-01-03 22:48:42 GMT)
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Land and property ownership: conveyances by feet of fines ...
https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk › research-guides
Medieval feet of fines made before the royal courts of law 1195-1509 are in ... taken out in addition to other types of deed transferring the property.
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