Nov 4, 2022 09:36
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Swedish term

blyg / skygg

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I'm well aware of the various options that the semantic field in question has to offer.
Let's face it though. Regardless of the degree to which my mastery of English can be substantiated, I'm not a native.
So, just out of curiosity, here's my purely theoretical question for you:
Which two adjectives would be your best pick to render the rather subtle difference between blyg and skygg?
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Nov 4, 2022 10:51: m_a_a_ changed "Language pair" from "English to Swedish" to "Swedish to English"

Discussion

m_a_a_ (asker) Nov 9, 2022:
By the way I'll leave this one open, in case anyone else feels like 'chiming in'.
m_a_a_ (asker) Nov 9, 2022:
Many thanks to everyone, for taking the trouble either to answer, or to just indicate your level of agreement with the suggestions already offered. Esp. to Gustav for providing a nice 'palette' of adjectives, and to Andrew, for a sharing a very interesting train of thought: If I'm allowed a somewhat over-simplified expansion, you're basically suggesting that each language at some point came to assimilate a 'kind of northern' and a 'kind of southern' version of the concept of 'shyness'. And that this may have had such a tangible semantic impact on the words, that it's possibly one of the reasons why we now 'match' shy with blyg (both were 'kind of northern' concepts in relation to the respective language and the geographic dispersion of the people speaking it), and likewise, timid and skygg (both were 'kind of southern' in relation to bla bla); although shy and skygg are the ones etymologically connected.

Proposed translations

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blyg = shy, reserved, bashful skygg = timid, unconfident, self-effacing

Svår fråga! Finns ju flera ord som ligger nära varandra i betydelse, men med subtila
skillnader (har bott i Storbritannien i drygt 17 år men detta var klurigt!)
Peer comment(s):

agree Joakim Braun : Let's add that only humans are "blyg", while both humans and animals are "skygg".
8 mins
agree Michele Fauble
6 hrs
neutral Adrian MM. : an inconclusive scattergun answer and unconfident is - as a lazy throwaway label on English school reports - *diffident*.
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Blyg = shy, skygg = timid

I'll chime in here with a non-expert opinion. I'd say that the etymology of these two words is also very important to consider in the discussion. There is, of course, a long list of English adjectives that could be used to translate these words based on context, not to mention the subtle nuances and differences between them (which can also get a bit tricky given that nuance varies between dialects, regions, individual speakers, etc.).

However, (in my opinion) a very important aspect to consider is where the words derive from. In English, the two most obvious translations for "blyg" and "skygg" are "shy" and "timid". The words are very close, but the biggest differentiator is that "timid" derives from Latin (timidus) and "shy" derives from some old German root (like Old English, scēoh or German "scheuen").

In a very crude sense, timid is simply the Latin version and shy is the Germanic version of the same concept.

I suspect the same could be said for blyg and skygg. Certainly, the two words have subtle differences, but I suspect "skygg" shares the same etymological history as English's "shy" and German's "scheuen" (BTW English and German are classified as West Germanic languages), whereas "blyg" appears to have its roots in Old Norse (i.e. North Germanic).
Peer comment(s):

agree Adrian MM. : at least offers conclusive, one-word answers.
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