Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
éléments d\'équipement de l\'ouvrage
English translation:
fittings
French term
éléments d'équipement de l'ouvrage
Je ne sais pas comment bien traduire ces mots qui constituent l'article 1792-3 du code civil et qui apparaissent dans une procuration pour vendre :
Article 1792-3
Les autres "éléments d'équipement de l'ouvrage" font l'objet d'une garantie de bon fonctionnement d'une durée minimale de deux ans à compter de sa réception.
S'agit-il de fixtures and fittings ou other equipment ?
Je vous remercie d'avance pour vos lumières.
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SafeTex
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| 4 | fixtures and fittings |
AllegroTrans
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| 3 | amenities of the complex |
Adrian MM.
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Oct 15, 2022 12:23: writeaway changed "Field" from "Law/Patents" to "Other"
Oct 15, 2022 13:59: AllegroTrans changed "Level" from "Non-PRO" to "PRO"
PRO (3): Tony M, Anastasia Kalantzi, AllegroTrans
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Proposed translations
fittings
The 2-year guarantee applies to fittings.
Pendant 2 ans : garantie de bon fonctionnement La durée de la garantie de bon fonctionnement est de 2 ans suivant la réception des travaux. Elle peut être allongée si le contrat le prévoit. Cette garantie impose au constructeur de réparer ou remplacer les éléments d'équipement défaillants. Il s'agit de tous les ÉLÉMENTS D'ÉQUIPEMENT DISSOCIABLES (qUI PEUVENT ÊTRE ENLEVÉS SANS DÉGRADER LE BÂTI, par exemple, le BALLON D'EAU CHAUDE).
https://www.justice.fr/printpdf/72790
"Fixtures and Fittings means ITEMS THAT ARE SECURED OR BOLTED TO THE WALLS OR FLOOR OF THE PREMISES (FIXTURES) and FREE-STANDING ITEMS INCLUDING GOODS (FITTINGS)"
https://www.dha.gov.au/docs/default-source/standard-lease-ed...
FIXTURE - Anything BUILT IN AND PERMANENTLY ATTACHED to the fabric of a building. Its removal is usually prevented by law, although what are fixtures and what are fittings may need to be agreed between the landlord and the tenant.
FITTING [ ...] 2. fitment. A unit or factory-made appliance NOT PART OF THE BUILDING FABRIC, such as a bath or basin (sanitary fittings) or cupboard (joinery fitting), and REMOVABLE WITHOUT DAMAGE. A built-in fitting usually becomes a fixture"
Scott/Penguin Building
Austria
Retd.T&I, Barrister & Austro-Advokat
Native in: English (Variants: British, Scottish) 
Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish, French to English, and 5 more.
amenities of the complex
Question is, though, what the 'ourvrage' is : a building structure or complex, (unfinished) project or fabric.
Fabric Building Amenities Customizable accessories to turn a basic structure into the exact application you need for your project.
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/french-to-english/real-estate/1203462-éléments-d’équipement.html
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Tony M
: I would be wary of using 'complex', as too specific for some contexts; perhaps 'premises' would be a safer, more general bet.
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AllegroTrans
: "Amenities" of a complex could mean almost anything - B&B, a view of the sea and many other things. And nothing suggests this is a "complex". Why not look at my defintion ref. and consider whether you can agree with "fixtures and/or fittings"?
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FIXTURES
Explanation:
Hello
If you had to chose between fixture or fittings, it's the second one 'cos
Pour les éléments d’équipement dissociables et voués à fonctionner
Depuis 1978, la jurisprudence a affiné le périmètre des éléments d’équipement potentiellement couverts par la garantie de bon fonctionnement. Ceux-ci doivent :
être livrés avec l’ouvrage et installés avant sa réception ;
être dissociables de l’ouvrage (leur dépose, démontage ou remplacement ne peuvent s’effectuer sans détérioration ou enlèvement de matière de l’ouvrage), et pas seulement adjoints à l’ouvrage ;
Exemples d’éléments couverts : portes et fenêtres (hors huisseries), volets, radiateurs, appareils sanitaires, plaques de cuisson…
The equipment is normally there on reception, it cannot reasonably be "disassociated" (not the same as removed) and look at the examples. These elements are normally FIXED into place rather than just FIT into place like a sofa or chair
My reference gives the fuller text as the above in French is an extract
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oops, there are some errors in the body of the text.
I'm saying it's fixtures of course
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AllegroTrans
: You've got fixtures as your answer (shouting style) then you say it's fittings.
I am totally confused
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oops, I've made a mistake in the body of the text, I'm saying it's fixtures
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philgoddard
: Me too.
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oops, I've made a mistake in the body of the text, I'm saying it's fixtures
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Sensible solutions
Native in: English (Variant: Wessexois) 
Works in: French to English, English, English to French
fixtures and fittings
Reading the definitions of both categories strongly points to them being fixures (indissociables) and fittings (dissociables)
It's logical to have a warranty that these operate properly - e.g. a washing machine (which is not a fixture) and a central heating pump (which is a fixture)
Reference comments
United Kingdom
Sensible solutions
Native in: English (Variant: Wessexois)
Works in: French to English, English, English to French
Start with a reliable definition
Eléments d'équipement indissociables
Eléments d’équipement d’un bâtiment faisant indissociablement corps avec les ouvrages de viabilité, de fondation, d’ossature, de clos ou de couvert. Les dommages qui affectent un tel équipement donnent lieu à la responsabilité décennale des constructeurs. Un élément d’équipement est considéré comme formant indissociablement corps avec un ouvrage lorsque sa dépose, son démontage ou son remplacement ne peuvent s’effectuer sans détérioration ou enlèvement de matière de cet ouvrage.
Exemples : canalisations encastrées, installation de chauffage central, installation de plomberie
Eléments d'équipement dissociables
Relève de la garantie de bon fonctionnement, la garantie des éléments d’équipement dissociable relève soit :
- De la garantie décennale
- De la garantie biennale.
Cette garantie commence après le délai de parfait achèvement et prend fin à l’expiration d’un délai de deux ans à compter de la réception.
Éléments concernés
Les éléments d’équipement dissociables concernent :
– des éléments du système de chauffage (chaudière, ballon d’eau chaude, canalisations, radiateur) ; – les équipements sanitaires (robinetterie) ; – les revêtements (carrelages, moquettes, papiers peints) ; – portes et fenêtres (et parfois les menuiseries extérieures).
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SafeTex
: Yep, this is almost the same as the reference I gave before I noticed yours
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