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Glossary entry

Spanish term or phrase:

comparecientes comparecieron

English translation:

parties to appear / wife and husband to appear/the divorcing parties appeared. The wife ap husband appeared

Added to glossary by yolanda Speece
Sep 2, 2022 21:53
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Spanish term

comparecientes comparecieron

Spanish to English Law/Patents Law: Contract(s) DIVORCE DECREE
se señaló fecha a fin de que los comparecientes comparecieron ante la presencia judicial a la celebración de la ratificación de su escrito inicial de la demanda. En fecha de XXXXXX comparecieron ante este juzgado en forma virtual a través del enlae virtual de la plataforma ZOOM.
Proposed translations (English)
4 +6 parties to appear / wife and husband to appear
5 +1 (The date was set) for the parties to appear ...
4 -2 The summonsed parties appeared
4 -2 the parties to the divorce appeared before the court
3 -1 so that the parties attending enter an appearance
References
"You cannot enter an appearance. Period".....

Discussion

AllegroTrans Sep 4, 2022:
Regardless of all this The battle is over
Winner +6
Loser -2
Let us learn things, if we can, and move on
Toni Castano Sep 4, 2022:
For Mr Andrew Bramhall Mr Bramhall. Do not insist on it again. I believe you :-)
Andrew Bramhall Sep 4, 2022:
A Lesson on the Indicative and Subjunctive Moods for Mr.Toni Castano: The indicative indicates the literality of what is being described as fact, whereas the subjunctive expresses doubt and other emotions, such as the likelihood of a certain event occurring; in English the subjunctive also exists, but is nearly always in the same form as the indicative; a notable exception is the verb ' to be'; you have to say "if I were you", for example, rather than the indicative would be "if I was you"; the phrase you quote:"1) se señaló fecha a fin de que los comparecientes comparecieron ante la presencia judicial " is perfectly valid in the indicative mood, but could be used in the imperfect subjunctive as already said too often, i.e, 'comparecierAn'; to avoid ambiguity, the writer could have used the 'compareciesen' form instead, but didn't. That's because he /she meant the indicative.Nowhere is there anything to suggest that the actions described are still in the future, and hence, still subject to doubt, which would indeed have required the subjunctive. And you aren't the expert you think you are Toni; on July 22nd "Trazo la frontera .." you suggested 'trazÓ' required an accent to become 'he traced' in an exclusively 1st person narrative
Toni Castano Sep 4, 2022:
Mr Andrew Bramhall A brief explanation intended at helping you understand the source text.
The source is divided into TWO different sections, and this is the key point you failed again and again to see.
1) se señaló fecha a fin de que los comparecientes comparecieron ante la presencia judicial a la celebración de la (…).
This means that at this moment the parties had NOT appeared yet in the Court before the judge. However, the tense is defective, it is expressed in the “pretérito indefinido de indicativo”, which conveys the notion of an action already happened. But this tense is wrong, because if a date was set for the parties to appear, it is then obvious that they had not appeared yet at that very moment.
2) En fecha de XXXXXX comparecieron [pretérito indefinido de indicativo] ante este juzgado en forma virtual a través del enlace virtual (…).
This is the very moment (= date) when the parties did actually appear before the court, and they did it online.
I just hope that this explanation may be of any help for you to understand what (Toni Castaño, not Top Cat!!!) “Everyone with a minimum common sense (and sound knowledge of the two languages involved here) would recognize (…) at once”.
Andrew Bramhall Sep 3, 2022:
@Allegrotrans Nonsense? not at all. Judged by your response to my answer and that to a "certain other", you're confused, as is TC;if "there's no need to use the subjunctive", as you state under AMM's answer,why is it under mine you state that it now HAS TO BE subjunctive"??and TC thinks there's a " preterite imperfect subjunctive" ; er, no; the two tenses are contradictions in terms, the former being a completed action in the past, the latter a continuous action in the past..Also, that " committee" business is my jokey dig at you-know-who. Maybe you should change your name to 'Andantetrans', as the slower tempo compared to " Allegro" might mean you make fewer mistakes. And I did check those terms. Couldn't find them anywhere.
AllegroTrans Sep 3, 2022:
@ AB Patent nonsense. The term "enter an appearance" is standard legalese and has not been "completely discredited" by any campaign. And it does not simply mean "appear". Look it up in your legal dictionary if you have one.
Andrew Bramhall Sep 3, 2022:
Enter an " appearance" /"Appearer" Completely discredited by the Committee of the Campaign for the Promotion of Plain English.
You can enter a courtroom , enter a jugment, enter a plea,but NOT be an "APPEARER"or enter an "APPEARANCE". Period. "to break the appearance double-up" ??? Er, no...

Proposed translations

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10 mins
Selected

parties to appear / wife and husband to appear

for the parties to appear
for the wife and husband to appear

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Note added at 11 minutos (2022-09-02 22:04:45 GMT)
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for the spouses to appear
Peer comment(s):
agree philgoddard : Is it OK to say "comparecientes comparecieron"? By the way, I was on a bus in El Salvador a couple of weeks ago and I met someone called Wilson. I asked if it was spelled Wilsonn, and he didn't know what I was talking about :-)
24 mins
comparecierAn. Decir los "comparecientes comparecieron" es una redundancia supina. Recordemos que el español no acepta para nada este tipo de redundancias. En inglés sería: "The parties appearing appeared" que tampoco suena bien ni se utiliza.
neutral Andrew Bramhall : The second ' n' is probably an affectation! Well Wilsonn, at least you can remember your proper name, unlike a certain contributor round these parts!
30 mins
Es un misterio total lo de las dos letras n al final de mi único nombre de pila. A veces se escribe incluso Willson o Wilsson, que a mi modo de ver es peor que las dos letras "n".
agree Barbara Cochran, MFA : Reading the source text again, I agree that there must be a typo, and that, indeed, the subjunctive form of the verb would be correct in this instance. But I would use "parties to the divorce", not "wife and husband".
35 mins
A fin de que los comparecientes "comparecierAn". Efectivamente, se trata de una errata/error tipográfico (typo) evidente para un hablante nativo del español.
neutral ormiston : Agree about the tense
37 mins
A fin de que los clientes comparecierAn.
agree Myriam Seers : Agree with Wilsonn and there is a typo in the first sentence; it should be "se señaló fecha a fin de que los comparecientes comparecieran"
54 mins
Efectivamente, así es.
agree AllegroTrans : Yes, simply "the parties", which is what I would expect to see in English-language proceedings. Definitely do not use "wife and husband".
13 hrs
agree Toni Castano : A clear typo. The subjunctive is compulsory (pretérito imperfecto de subjuntivo: comparecieRAN/comparecieSEN).
19 hrs
neutral Rosa Paredes : Agree with parties to appear, NOT with husband and wife
23 hrs
agree Giovanni Rengifo : "parties to appear" is fine. "wife and husband" would be too informal to be used in this context. Additionally, the source text should read "comparecieran" and finally, "....comparecientes comparecieran" is definitely redundant.
1 day 3 hrs
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3 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "The divorcing parties....The parties appeared. Wife and husband appeared. "
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39 mins

The summonsed parties appeared

At a given date in the past the parties were summonsed to appear and duly did, hence no 'to appear', they appeared on the due date before the court.
Peer comment(s):
neutral Barbara Cochran, MFA : While I agree with the premise, in contemporary usage, anyway, "summoned" seems to be far preferred over summonsed": https://abovethelaw.com/career-files/were-you-summonsed-or-s... most contemporary dictionaries, too.
4 mins
https://wikidiff.com/summoned/summonsed#:~:text=As verbs the...
disagree AllegroTrans : wrong tense - because it says that a date was set for them to appear. You cannot simply cut out a chunk of text, even if the end result is factually correct; https://abovethelaw.com/career-files/were-you-summonsed-or-s...
13 hrs
Your a very good translator Chris, but your attitude is suspect. I've seen gypsy caravan sites laid out with more imagination than you're capable of mustering.See my comments to TC- A DATE was SET and they duly APPEARED- PAST tense.No subjunctive at all.
disagree Toni Castano : No, they have not appeared yet. The "pretérito imperfecto" in the Spanish subjunctive mood expresses a possibility, not a fact. You have understood nothing of the source paragraph..
19 hrs
neutral Rosa Paredes : Please see link in my proposed answer and explanation. Preterito imperfecto 1 del subjuntivo.
23 hrs
Gosh, it seems my grammar school teachers and Oxford-educated university professors, and all my textbooks were all wrong all along, and you are right!
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40 mins

the parties to the divorce appeared before the court

Another viable possibility, that sounds more like legalese.
Peer comment(s):
neutral Andrew Bramhall : https://wikidiff.com/summoned/summonsed#:~:text=As verbs the...
24 mins
All besides the point now, because Wilsonn has pointed out that the verb in the phrase is a typo.
neutral Myriam Seers : That's what the second sentence means, but not the first.
29 mins
Yes, you're right about that, and I realize now that the verb that is part of the question is the wrong past tense.
disagree AllegroTrans : wrong tense - because it says that a date was set for them to appear. You cannot simply cut out a chunk of text, even if the end result is factually correct.
13 hrs
disagree Rosa Paredes : Nope. The date was set for the parties to appear.
23 hrs
Yes, as I've stated, ad nauseum, many times, and many hours ago, I agree with that.
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1 hr
Spanish term (edited): a fin de que los comparecientes comparecieran

so that the parties attending enter an appearance

a fin de que ....comparecieran or compareciesen, rather than comparecieron.

> 'compareciente: party appearing or party present. The word appearer does not exist in English', West, except the term of sppearer is, Transantlatically, perfectly acceptable notarially.

Enter an appearance in legal drafting stylistically to break the 'appearance' double-up

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Note added at 1 hr (2022-09-02 23:28:54 GMT)
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Transatlantically ....
Example sentence:

Appearer means any person, firm, partnership, body corporate or other entity to whom a Member provides a Notarial Service.

When the defendant receives the summons, they must enter an appearance to show that they are now a party to the case.

Reference:

http://www.proz.com/personal-glossaries/entry/2399343-comparecientes-the-appearers

http://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/appearer

Peer comment(s):
neutral AllegroTrans : I see no need to use the subjunctive here, nor is it necessary to force the term "enter an appearance" simply to avoid double use of "appear/ance". Wrong methodology and wrong result.
12 hrs
as Toni C. mentions, the subjunctive of comparecieran or compareciesen had been the originally intended tense, plus antry of appearance is an alternative to making of an appearance, rather than filing of a defenc/se. You also missed my appearer point.
disagree Rosa Paredes : for the parties to appear
22 hrs
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23 hrs

(The date was set) for the parties to appear ...

experience in legal translation ...
There is an error or typo in the sentence provided by asker "a fin de que los comparecientes *comparecieron*" It should read comparecierAn (Pretérito imperfecto 1)
Example sentence:

https://www.conjugacion.es/del/verbo/testificar.php

Peer comment(s):
agree AllegroTrans : Absolutely. Amazing to see so many failed attempts. As for AB, his score of minus 2 says it all. I agree with others that you have repeated Wilsonn's answer, but you have done so in a way that makes the correct translation crystal clear!
31 mins
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Reference comments

1 day 42 mins
Reference:

"You cannot enter an appearance. Period".....

...according to Andrew Bramhall

These references are for his delectation (and education) and have not been coined out of thin air. They come from at least half a dozen different English-speaking jurisdictions.


Stopping a probate application - GOV.UK
https://www.gov.uk › ... › Death and bereavement
To enter an appearance you must have a 'contrary interest'. For example: ... Request an appearance form from Leeds District Probate Registry. Complete it and send ...
Challenge someone else's probate application
Respond to a challenge against your probate application

High Court procedures - Citizens Information
https://www.citizensinformation.ie › justice › civil_law
28 Mar 2022 — To enter an appearance, the defendant must lodge a memorandum of appearance at the Central Office. The plaintiff's solicitor must then be ...

Entering Warnings and Appearances - Judge & Priestley
https://www.judge-priestley.co.uk › services › individuals
A Warning is a document sealed by the Court and then served on the Caveator requesting them to either enter an Appearance at the Court, or to serve a ...

Entering an Appearance to a Caveat - Field Overell
https://www.fieldoverell.com › Wills & Probate
28 Jan 2021 — The warning will state this person's interest in the estate and give the caveator 14 days to enter an appearance to respond to the warning, ...

The Rules of the Supreme Court (Writ and Appearance) 1979
https://www.legislation.gov.uk › schedule › part › made
PART 1Entry of Appearance ; Order 13, rules 1 to 6 (inclusive), “enter an appearance” wherever occurring, “give notice of intention to defend” ; Order 13, rule 6 ...


Caveats - The Non-Contentious Probate Rules 1987
https://www.legislation.gov.uk › uksi › article › made

... enter an appearance in the registry in which the caveat index is maintained by filing Form 5 and making an entry in the appropriate book; ...


Appearance - McMahon Legal Guide
https://mcmahonsolicitors.ie › appearance-default
The entry of appearance brings the defendant into the proceedings The failure to enter an appearance means that there may be a judgment against the defendant by ...

Does a defendant "enter an appearance" by filing a second ...
https://uk.practicallaw.thomsonreuters.com › ...
25 Mar 2015 — Does a defendant "enter an appearance" by filing a second acknowledgment of service? (Court of Appeal). by Practical Law Dispute Resolution.


Defending a case | The Courts Service of Ireland
https://www.courts.ie › defending-case
To formally notify the plaintiff (the person bringing the case) and the court that you intend to defend the case, you 'enter an appearance' after a summons is ...


The Service Regulation—defendant does not enter an ...
https://www.lexisnexis.com › lexispsl › eulaw › document
The Service Regulation—defendant does not enter an appearance—checklist. Checklists. Maintained •. Found in: EU Law. This Checklist considers the ...


Important Procedural Changes in Civil Litigation
https://www.addleshawgoddard.com › insights-briefings
Where a Defendant fails to enter an Appearance, the Plaintiff must first serve notice in writing on the Defendant confirming his / her intention to proceed ...


uniform civil procedure rules 2005 - reg 6.10
http://www5.austlii.edu.au › ucpr2005305 › s6.10.html
(1) For the purposes of these rules, the time limited for a defendant to enter an appearance (whether by filing a notice of appearance in accordance with ...

ORDER 17: DEFAULT OF APPEARANCE - CyLaw
http://www.cylaw.org › apofaseis2 › cpr › cpr-19-11
(3) The order of appointment shall limit the time within which the person appointed is to enter an appearance, and if such person fails to enter an ...

Letter giving defendant 14 days to enter appearance (DR021)
https://lawonline.clientsecured.com › letter-giving-defend...
Two letters are prepared here, one to inform the County Registrar that you are agreeable to giving the defendant a further 14 days to enter an appearance ...

High Court Rules 2016 - New Zealand Legislation
https://www.legislation.govt.nz › latest › DLM6952740
A defendant to an action must enter an appearance in person, or by a solicitor, by filing a memorandum in form AD 6 within the time and at the place ...

Litigation and Enforcement in the UK (Northern Ireland)
https://uk.practicallaw.thomsonreuters.com › ...
1 May 2021 — Once the defendant is served with a writ, it must enter a memorandum of appearance (a request to the appropriate office to enter an appearance ...

Section 12 in THE SUPREME COURT RULES, 1966
https://indiankanoon.org › doc
(5) There shall be endorsed on every summons a notice requiring the defendant to enter an appearance within twenty-eight days after the summons has been ...

Litigation and enforcement in Singapore: overview
https://uk.practicallaw.thomsonreuters.com › ...
1 Apr 2021 — Failure to enter an appearance allows the plaintiff to enter ... Papua New Guinea and India (except the states of Jammu and Kashmir).

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Clarity provided on Bermuda court's discretionary power
https://www.careyolsen.com › briefings › clarity-provid...
3 Feb 2021 — Bermuda's Chief Justice has articulated the applicable Bermuda law ... reason why the defendant did not enter an appearance and/or file a ...

Rule 14 — Appearance - Yukon courts
https://www.yukoncourts.ca › files › documents
PDF
(1) (a) Where a party wishes to enter an appearance to an originating process, the ... (a) 21 days, in the case of a person residing anywhere within Canada,.
3 pages
Peer comments on this reference comment:
agree Adrian MM. : NB the term of 'appearer' is still used at my London ex-Notarial Office & is also enshrined in print: 'the indorsers are obliged to indemnify the said *appearers*...' Bills of Exchange §12-18, Brooke's Notary, 1st ed.1839//hidden by an unlisted moderator.
16 hrs
Sorry. I don't get that. Where have the other comments gone?
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