Nov 12, 2021 09:16
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por el doble del tiempo de duración de la formación
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Medical
Medical: Health Care
Medical education and compulsory social service
The context is a summary of compulsory social service programs tied to medical education in countries of Latin America. This country is Chile. While "doble" means 'double', "por lo menos un año" is not double the time spent in the classroom; it's more like half. Do you think the text can be understood to mean '**compared with** twice the length of time spent in the classroom'?
Existen diferentes modalidades de servicio médico obligatorio rural para acceder a la especialización profesional: sistema de becas (contratación de becarios recién egresados de facultades de medicina para trabajar en servicios de salud priorizados con compromiso de retorno), programa de “destinación y formación” (se desempeñan durante 3 años en zonas pertenecientes a los quintiles más bajos de pobreza y eso los habilita para continuar luego el programa de formación de la especialidad) o el Concurso Nacional de Especialistas, que requiere haberse desempeñado previamente como profesional de la salud durante al menos un año, además de una fase asistencial de servicio social obligatorio de retribución al Estado al término de la beca, **por el doble del tiempo de duración de la formación**.
Existen diferentes modalidades de servicio médico obligatorio rural para acceder a la especialización profesional: sistema de becas (contratación de becarios recién egresados de facultades de medicina para trabajar en servicios de salud priorizados con compromiso de retorno), programa de “destinación y formación” (se desempeñan durante 3 años en zonas pertenecientes a los quintiles más bajos de pobreza y eso los habilita para continuar luego el programa de formación de la especialidad) o el Concurso Nacional de Especialistas, que requiere haberse desempeñado previamente como profesional de la salud durante al menos un año, además de una fase asistencial de servicio social obligatorio de retribución al Estado al término de la beca, **por el doble del tiempo de duración de la formación**.
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Helena Chavarria
Spain
Spain
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Spain
Striving for excellence
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for twice the length of time as the (duration of the) training period
that requires having previously worked as a healthcare professional for at least a year, in addition to/besides/as well as period of compulsory social service paid by the State upon completion of the internship, working as a healthcare provider, for twice the length of time as the (duration of the) training period
This is how I understand it, though I might be missing something.
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Note added at 41 mins (2021-11-12 09:57:58 GMT)
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My translation is just to explain my answer to your question. It can definitely be improved, though hopefully it gives you a general idea.
This is how I understand it, though I might be missing something.
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Note added at 41 mins (2021-11-12 09:57:58 GMT)
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My translation is just to explain my answer to your question. It can definitely be improved, though hopefully it gives you a general idea.
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liz askew
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Cheers, Liz :-)
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philgoddard
: This just seems to be a longer version of Oliver's answer.
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Yes, I'm sorry, but while I was preparing my answer, Oliver posted his, which hadn't appeared when I started mine. I left it because I thought it was slightly more complete but I can always delete it. Not sure about six years though.
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Stuart and Aida Nelson
: "not paid by the state" but to repay the state for the grant postgraduates get :). Otherwise, OK.
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According to a reference I've found, the 'beca' is 'financiado por el estado'. Thank you for your opinion :-)
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thank you for the research, Helena. It cleared up my doubts."
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Andrew Bramhall
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
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for twice the length of the training
i.e, for 6 years, as they work for 3 years in areas belonging to the lowest poverty quintiles and this then qualifies them to continue the speciality training programme;
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Cristina Zavala
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Gracias;
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philgoddard
: I'm not sure that it's six years, though.
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Thank you!
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MPGS
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Thank you!
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Stuart and Aida Nelson
: It is not about the internship but about the specialty training programme :)
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Yep, Thank you!
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Stuart and Aida Nelson
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
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English
Specializes in field
United Kingdom
English lawyer and German national
Native in: English (Variant: British) , Spanish (Variants: Standard-Spain, Latin American)
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for twice the length of the specialty training
As I understand this is not about the entire medical study period but only the specialty training.
además de una fase asistencial de servicio social obligatorio de retribución al Estado al término de la beca, por el doble del tiempo de duración de la formación
The following link explains it in detail how the specialty training works in Chile:
El Estado financia la mayor parte de los programas de formación de especialistas, exigiendo a los graduados un tiempo de trabajo en la red pública de salud al finalizar sus programas.
La formación de postgrado está ligada a universidades acreditadas. Los programas en su mayoría exigen dedicación exclusiva, con al menos 44 horas a la semana más un turno semanal, lo que es dependiente del tipo de especialidad (médica, médico-quirúrgica, de laboratorio, de salud pública).
La duración de los programas es en su gran mayoría de 3 años para las especialidades primarias (medicina interna, cirugía, obstetricia/ginecología, pediatría, etc.) y de 2 años para las especialidades derivadas (gastroenterología del adulto o pediátrica, cardiología del adulto o pediátrica, etc.). Algunas especialidades primarias han extendido la duración de sus programas de formación a 4 años, en una línea que se repite a nivel internacional (neurocirugía, radioterapia, etc.).
https://www.elsevier.es/es-revista-educacion-medica-71-artic...
Specialty doctor is the new term for Specialty and Associated Specialty Grade (SASG) doctors. The specialty doctor post is not a training grade; it is a grade where a doctor has at least 4 years of postgraduate training, two of those being in a relevant specialty. As specialty doctors are not in training, their roles are usually much more focused on meeting NHS service requirements, compared to consultant roles. For example, specialty doctors often have considerably less administrative functions compared to consultants
https://www.nwpgmd.nhs.uk/careers_advice/careers/specialty_d...
Residency / postgraduation Specialty training
https://thesavvyimg.co.uk/specialty-training-residency-in-th...
Medical education in the United States
Residency
Each of the specialties in medicine has established its own curriculum, which defines the length and content of residency training necessary to practice in that specialty. Programs range from 3 years after medical school for internal medicine and pediatrics, to 5 years for general surgery, to 7 years for neurosurgery. Each specialty training program either incorporates an internship year to satisfy the requirements of state licensure, or stipulates that an internship year be completed before starting the program at the second post-graduate year (PGY-2).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_education_in_the_Unite...
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The source text does not specify that it should be specialty training period but I think it is important to add it for clarity and to avoid confusion :)
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Note added at 9 hrs (2021-11-12 18:17:25 GMT)
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And of course the previous answers from Oliver and Helena are also valid but I thought I would go into detail for better understanding, I hope :)
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Note added at 9 hrs (2021-11-12 18:39:14 GMT)
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And actually, for more clarity it should be
for twice the length of the specialty training period
Por el doble del tiempo de la duración del programa de especialización
Note from asker:
| Thank you! Your answer is correct. I don't know which answerer came up first with the specific explanation of the situation in Chile. I saw Helena's research in the Discussion before I saw your answer. I hope I didn't do you an injustice, but it looks like her research came first. |
| P.S. Re: Adrian's comment. Needless to say, this is not a "vocational training course." The recipients are medical graduates going on to specialize in a field of medicine. |
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Adrian MM.
: if you mean special vocational training course..
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Thank you Adrian, it is about doctors :)
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Discussion
https://www.dipres.gob.cl/597/articles-177367_r_ejecutivo_in...
2.1.8 Periodo Asistencial Obligatorio (PAO)
Fase asistencial a continuación del período formativo en, calidad de especialista, en algún establecimiento del Sistema Nacional de Servicios de Salud por un lapso igual al doble de la duración de la formación o beca, financiado por el estado.
https://www.observatoriorh.org/sites/default/files/webfiles/...
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ARTICULO 17.- El término de la beca, implica el compromiso u obligación por parte del becario de efectuar una fase asistencial a continuación del período formativo, en calidad de funcionario, en algún establecimiento del Sistema Nacional de Servicios de Salud por un lapso igual al doble de la duración de la beca.
https://www.minsal.cl/sites/default/files/507_1990.pdf
1. sistema de becas;
2. programa de “destinación y formación”;
3. el Concurso Nacional de Especialistas (haberse desempeñado previamente como profesional de la salud durante al menos un año + una fase asistencial de servicio social obligatorio de retribución al Estado al término de la beca, por el doble del tiempo de duración de la formación).