Nov 4, 2021 16:26
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French term

Dame de cour

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I am translating a quite general set of T&Cs for the rental of a space for art installations. Does anyone know what the 'dame de cour' is in this context:

Le Client est libre de faire appel aux fournisseurs de son choix pour tout service excepté pour le service traiteur (exclusivité XXX), la technique (exclusivité XXX Excentrique), le régisseur, les agents de sécurité, la dame de cour et les hôtesses.

Discussion

Lara Barnett Nov 6, 2021:
@ Daryo You have misunderstood my reference post. Please remove your misleading statement. (Best to check meaning before making undue comments)
Thank you.
philgoddard Nov 4, 2021:
What a nice euphemism! They could end up with a gender discrimination case on their hands, though...
ph-b (X) Nov 4, 2021:
dame pipi moins classe, mais plus parlant :-)

Proposed translations

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toilet attendant

bathroom attendant, restroom attendant, toilet attendant, or washroom attendant

Female (dame de cour) or male (homme de cour)

"Nous recherchons deux dames/hommes de cour pour des évènements extérieurs....Job étudiant dans un festival pour garder les toilettes propres tout au long de l'évènement. Nettoyage et contrôle d'accès.
https://www.student.be/fr/jobs-etudiants/dame-de-cour/

"Patrimoine Les recoins des petits coins Dame de cour, dame de coeur Salle du trône et salle des coffres...A« Madame pipi », elle préfère « dame de cour ». Question de respect, même si je sais que ce ne sont que des mots, s'excuse-t-elle, confuse de céder ainsi à la mode du politiquement correct. Voici quelques années déjà qu'elle déplie table et chaise entre les toilettes hommes et les toilettes pour dames. "
https://www.lesoir.be/art/patrimoine-les-recoins-des-petits-...

Peer comment(s):

agree Joseph Farren : I agree. Job advert here for Dame de cour in Belgium: https://www.optioncarriere.be/jobad/be6ff71f0c3950c66b6f3734...
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Thanks Joseph
agree philgoddard
1 hr
Thanks Phil
agree Barbara Carrara : Mention of the Parisian "dames pipi" in the Figaro, https://tinyurl.com/4dbhhsxx
1 hr
Thanks Barbara
agree writeaway
2 hrs
Thanks writeaway
agree Daryo
20 hrs
Thanks Daryo
agree Iuliia Vinitchenko
1 day 5 hrs
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Housekeeping attendant / Housekeeper

This is possibly borrowed from historical terminology, while actually referring to an older usage of head of domestic duties, such as a head parlourmaid or housekeeper perhaps.

"Une dame d'honneur ou une dame de la cour est une assistante personnelle à la cour, s'occupant d'une femme royale ou d'une noble de haut rang . Historiquement, en Europe, une dame d'honneur était souvent une noble, mais de rang inférieur à la femme dont elle s'occupait. Même si elle peut avoir été un acompte ou ne pas avoir reçu de compensation pour le service qu'elle a rendu, une dame d'honneur était davantage considérée comme une secrétaire , un courtisan ou un compagnon de sa maîtresse qu'une servante"
https://stringfixer.com/fr/Court_lady

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Note added at 19 mins (2021-11-04 16:46:28 GMT)
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Appears that even in museums and galleries "housekeeping" is an official duty:

"Reporting to the HOUSEKEEPING Supervisor, you will ensure our venues are clean, safe and welcoming for our visitors. You will be part of an integral team at National Museums Liverpool who play a key role in creating memorable experiences for everybody. No two days are the same."
https://www.artinliverpool.com/jobs-archive/housekeeper-clea...

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Note added at 23 mins (2021-11-04 16:50:01 GMT)
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And "Housekeeping" is also listed as a duty amongst front of house staff at the Barbican gallery, London
"Assist the gallery production team with specific gallery or exhibit set-up or
maintenance issues, HOUSEKEEPING or other tasks as reasonably required according to the demands of the exhibition and training provided."
https://www.barbican.org.uk/sites/default/files/documents/20...
Peer comment(s):

neutral Daryo : makes sense, but in this text there is only one "dame de cour", not likely to be "supervising" herself?
21 hrs
My suggestion does not say supervising herself.// You have misunderstood the point of my reference post - please remove your comment and check meanings before making obnoxious, irrelevant misrepresentations of people's answers. Thank you.
agree Adrian MM. : > perhaps prefix with lady or female as there are also, these days, male housekeepers https://www.indeed.com/q-Male-Housekeeper-jobs.html?vjk=38df... Having family living near the Palace of Versailles, I only knew the idea of 'courtesan'.
1 day 18 hrs
Thank you
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Reference comments

16 mins
Reference:

Not sure if this is a specifically Belgian term, Fwiw/hth

MODULE 12

Vestiaires et dame de cours

apprendre à gérer et organiser un vestiaire en amont et en aval
apprendre les nécessités indispensables au bon fonctionnement des sanitaires sur événement

https://www.stewardonevent.be/offre-de-formation/
Peer comments on this reference comment:

agree Althea Draper : I could only find Belgian references too
0 min
agree Melanie Kathan : That's what I found too, only Belgian texts seem to use this term.
8 mins
agree Emmanuella : unknown in France. Dame de cour , sans (s). I meant ' term unknown ...'
26 mins
Not all Belgian Fr texts are written by francophone Belgians. So there are often mistakes.
agree Barbara Carrara
1 day 19 hrs
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