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English term
year nuimber
English to Polish
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Ships, Sailing, Maritime
certificate of british registry
Certificate of British Registry, particulars of a ship
name of ship, port, year number, official number
przy YEAR NUMBER jest dwucyfrowy numer , 2 litery i rok - nie wiem jak przetłumaczyć ten YEAR NUMBER??? czy to rocznik? numer rocznika? czy jeszcze coś innego?
name of ship, port, year number, official number
przy YEAR NUMBER jest dwucyfrowy numer , 2 litery i rok - nie wiem jak przetłumaczyć ten YEAR NUMBER??? czy to rocznik? numer rocznika? czy jeszcze coś innego?
References
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geopiet
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Reference comments
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Reference:
particulars of a ship
Port numbers
Vessels are entered into the register chronologically in order of the date of registration at that port and given a number that is often referred to in official documentation.
For example, 'Yarmouth No 13/1923' (or '13 of 1923') means that this was the 13th vessel registered at Great Yarmouth in 1923.
It will appear in the register between 12 of 1923 and 14 of 1923 and before any vessel registered in 1924.
This also holds for a vessel that is being transferred from another port.
Even if the vessel was built in 1909 and was registered at Hull in that year, it will appear as 'Yarmouth 13 of 1923' if it is transferred to Yarmouth and is the 13th vessel to be entered onto the Yarmouth register in 1923.
However, there may also be a cross reference to a previous number, eg 'Hull 86/1909'.
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Official numbers (ON)
Port numbers should not be confused with the official number.
The official number is given to the vessel on its initial registration and is carved into the main beam of the vessel.
It remains unchanged for the rest of the vessel's career, even if the port of registry or ship's name changes.
This is important because from 1854 onwards it is the key identifier used in official sources. All other records, such as crew lists, are arranged by official number.
The official number is recorded in the register or may be found in published shipping lists. For vessels registered after the 1880s the official number has six digits.
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Ships' names
These are not generally a good way of tracking a vessel.
A ship's name can change several times during its career and there might have been several vessels on the register sharing the same name.
Some individual volumes of the registers have an index of ships contained in them.
For the Port of Great Yarmouth, there is an index to the shipping register by ship's name covering the period from the 1880s to 1994 (see P/SH/Y/60).
It gives the vessel's official number and the original reference of the register it appears in.
- https://www.archives.norfolk.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/...
Vessels are entered into the register chronologically in order of the date of registration at that port and given a number that is often referred to in official documentation.
For example, 'Yarmouth No 13/1923' (or '13 of 1923') means that this was the 13th vessel registered at Great Yarmouth in 1923.
It will appear in the register between 12 of 1923 and 14 of 1923 and before any vessel registered in 1924.
This also holds for a vessel that is being transferred from another port.
Even if the vessel was built in 1909 and was registered at Hull in that year, it will appear as 'Yarmouth 13 of 1923' if it is transferred to Yarmouth and is the 13th vessel to be entered onto the Yarmouth register in 1923.
However, there may also be a cross reference to a previous number, eg 'Hull 86/1909'.
--
Official numbers (ON)
Port numbers should not be confused with the official number.
The official number is given to the vessel on its initial registration and is carved into the main beam of the vessel.
It remains unchanged for the rest of the vessel's career, even if the port of registry or ship's name changes.
This is important because from 1854 onwards it is the key identifier used in official sources. All other records, such as crew lists, are arranged by official number.
The official number is recorded in the register or may be found in published shipping lists. For vessels registered after the 1880s the official number has six digits.
--
Ships' names
These are not generally a good way of tracking a vessel.
A ship's name can change several times during its career and there might have been several vessels on the register sharing the same name.
Some individual volumes of the registers have an index of ships contained in them.
For the Port of Great Yarmouth, there is an index to the shipping register by ship's name covering the period from the 1880s to 1994 (see P/SH/Y/60).
It gives the vessel's official number and the original reference of the register it appears in.
- https://www.archives.norfolk.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/...
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Frank Szmulowicz, Ph. D.
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Discussion
Sformułowanie "Jest to dokładnie taki dokument jak w linku..." rozumiem, że na takim samym formularzu, lecz nie, że jest to ten sam dokument.
Jeżeli Szan. Pytaczka tłumaczy rzeczywisty dokument, to IMO należy zachować należytą staranność (czyli: due diligence) i nie zgadywać, lecz DOPYTAĆ wystawcę, aby nie napisać bzdur. I aby tłumaczenie było jednoznaczne.
Pewnosci, co do tego ze "IN" znaczy tam "w" przysparza ewidentnie mniejsza czcionka od wiekszych, pozostałych znaków w tym wierszu.
Na pytanie "jako, że jest to nagłówek jednej z rubryk to zastanawiam się jak krótko napisać." odpowiadam: ja bym najpierw zapytał zarząd portu, a na podstawie odpowiedzi bym wymyślił polski tytuł, na przykład "Numer i rok rejestracji statku", a może inaczej.
Jak napisałem wcześniej, nie mam pewności co do znaczenia całego zapisu. Poza tym minęły dwie doby i nie widać chętnego do wstawienia formalnej odpowiedzi. Geopiet wstawił tylko reference, które zresztą pokrywa się z moją opinią. W takiej sytuacji Szanowna Pytaczka powinna wykazać własną inicjatywę.
Poza tym, po co w indywidualnym rekordzie dot. konkretnej jednostki - dokonywać wpisu o trzeciej, piątej lub dziesiątej rejestracji W DANYM PORCIE (?).
Z rubryki - dalej, na prawo - moze wynikać, ze jest to trzecia rejestracja TEGO, KONKRETNEGO statku, a nie trzecia rejestracja w roku 1973, w porcie Leith.
Na prawo od nazwy statku "Auld Reckie" znajduje się rubryka "No, Year and Port of Registry", a w niej ręczny wpis: 3 IN 1973 Leith.
IMO interpretacja jest następująca: trzeci statek zarejestrowany w roku 1973 w porcie Leith. (Uwagi: Nie znam znaczenia "IN" - może być istotne. Numer rejestracyjny statku L68863 znajduje się na lewo od nazwy.)
Takie samo znaczenie danych w tej rubryce wynika z wpisów Mike23 i geopieta.
Jeżeli masz wątpliwości, to IMO powinnaś pytać właściciela statku albo zarząd portu, w którym statek jest zarejestrowany (nazwa portu powinna być na dole dokumentu).
The benefits of applying online include a faster turnaround for requesting and receiving a transcript.
Before you start you will need the following:
Vessel name
Official number or ship port registration number
- https://www.ukshipregister.co.uk/registration/service-reques...
https://www.major-boats.com/fr/MajorBoats/NavisPack/pages/do...
Tutaj IMO: numer kolejny rejestracji (22), port rejestracji (Leith), rok rejestracji (1973).
Zgaduję, więc sama sprawdź w https://www.shippingandfreightresource.com/what-is-a-ship-re... .