Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Spanish term or phrase:
Pensar el vino
English translation:
Rethinking wine
Added to glossary by
Chiwi
Apr 27, 2021 12:17
3 yrs ago
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Spanish term
Pensar el vino
Spanish to English
Other
Wine / Oenology / Viticulture
Describing wine
¿Estás pensando el vino? HACER UN BUEN VINO ES SOLO EL PRINCIPIO Luego hay que dejar que el vino te cuente. Hay que conocerlo, explicarlo y abrirlo al mundo sin dar nada por supuesto.
Pensar el vino pasa por redefinir sus significados sin dar demasiadas cosas por supuestas.
The author wants to redefine the world of wine. New meanings imply new realities, etc. He's looking for something that truly defines the essence of the concept. I thought of Feel The Wine, but he's not happy with it. I'm not happy with Think Wine. I can provide more examples if need be, the dossier is full of them.
All ideas and opinions greatly appreciated, TIA :)
Pensar el vino pasa por redefinir sus significados sin dar demasiadas cosas por supuestas.
The author wants to redefine the world of wine. New meanings imply new realities, etc. He's looking for something that truly defines the essence of the concept. I thought of Feel The Wine, but he's not happy with it. I'm not happy with Think Wine. I can provide more examples if need be, the dossier is full of them.
All ideas and opinions greatly appreciated, TIA :)
Proposed translations
(English)
| 3 +3 | Rethinking/redifining wine |
Toni Castano
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| 4 | Thinking about wine? |
Robert Forstag
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| 3 | Savour the wine |
Paige Le Marchand
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| 3 | Be/Live the wine |
David Hollywood
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| 2 | Contemplate the wine |
Orkoyen (X)
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Proposed translations
+3
1 hr
Toni Castano
Spain
Spain
Native in Spanish
Spain
PER ASPERA AD ASTRA
Native in: Spanish
Works in: German to Spanish, Spanish to German, English to Spanish, and 5 more.
Related KudoZ points
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4
Selected
Rethinking/redifining wine
You say you don´t like “think the wine” (I wouldn´t like it either, it doesn´t make sense), but how about “rethinking/redefining wine”? “Rethink/redefine” based on your own information (= The author wants to redefine the world of wine) and the definition below provided by the Cambridge Dictionary.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/es/diccionario/ingles/rethi...
rethink
verb
UK
To think again about a plan, idea, or system in order to change or improve it:
Some other references:
https://laconfidentialmag.com/ondule-wines
How a Fourth Generation LA Family is Rethinking Wine
https://edenflowines.com.au
REDEFINING WINE
In the cellar of XXXXX picking date and temperature are crucial, no chilling means no warm fruit. Our wines want as much natural acid as possible, thus the fruit is picked earlier every year. Once the fruit arrives in the cellar it is crushed, usually by foot, leaving whites and reds on skins until they are pressed.
No recipe or rules, it’s all feel.
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Note added at 2 days 2 hrs (2021-04-29 14:54:23 GMT) Post-grading
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@Chiwi: Up there in the top ten, you say. Hey, I just don´t wish to figure out how then the other 9 might look like....
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/es/diccionario/ingles/rethi...
rethink
verb
UK
To think again about a plan, idea, or system in order to change or improve it:
Some other references:
https://laconfidentialmag.com/ondule-wines
How a Fourth Generation LA Family is Rethinking Wine
https://edenflowines.com.au
REDEFINING WINE
In the cellar of XXXXX picking date and temperature are crucial, no chilling means no warm fruit. Our wines want as much natural acid as possible, thus the fruit is picked earlier every year. Once the fruit arrives in the cellar it is crushed, usually by foot, leaving whites and reds on skins until they are pressed.
No recipe or rules, it’s all feel.
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Note added at 2 days 2 hrs (2021-04-29 14:54:23 GMT) Post-grading
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@Chiwi: Up there in the top ten, you say. Hey, I just don´t wish to figure out how then the other 9 might look like....
Note from asker:
| Cheers Toni :) See my note to Neilmac above, he he :D |
| Hi Toni. My client went with your answer, but has decided to stick a hyphen in there!?!?! He says the hyphen gives him the nuance he wants. Oh well, poetic licence and all that... :D It's definitely up there in my top ten of the worst phrases I've ever had to translate :D But, so long as he's happy... Thanks! |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Shilpa Baliga
: I like "rethink".
5 hrs
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Thanks Shilpa.
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| agree |
neilmac
16 hrs
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Thanks Neil. I also agree with your comment. The Spanish source sounds weird.
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| agree |
Carol Gullidge
: Hard to know exactly what the author has in mind, but I think these BOTH work. One e.g.: Hooked to Oak: Redefining Wine through Oak Aging ...
22 hrs
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Thank you Carol. I agree: The Spanish source is ambiguous as such, my translation is actually based on the additional explanation provided by Chiwi.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
1 hr
Paige Le Marchand
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
United Kingdom
French>English, MA in Translation
Native in: English
Works in: French to English, Spanish to English, English
Savour the wine
When you savour something, you think about and appreciate the flavour and taste
Note from asker:
| Thank you :) |
2 hrs
Robert Forstag
United States
United States
Native in English
United States
Translating words, preserving meaning
Native in: English
Works in: Spanish to English, English
Related KudoZ points
:
4
Spanish term (edited):
¿Estás pensando el vino?
Thinking about wine?
In context - and in accordance with Toni's comments, which I endorse - this would seem to be the best translation.
(You also should have posted to the actual term you wanted translated, in order to avoid confusion.)
(You also should have posted to the actual term you wanted translated, in order to avoid confusion.)
Note from asker:
| I did - Pensar el Vino |
| I can't post a screenshot. It clearly says in the term box PENSAR EL VINO. Underneath that it says Spanish to English - Other - Wine/Oenology/Viticulture - Describing Wine What don't you get, sweetie? |
14 hrs
David Hollywood
Native in English
worked for int. orgs (IMF, OAS, IDB)
Native in: English
Works in: Spanish to English, German to English
Related KudoZ points
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16
Be/Live the wine
put yourself in the wine's place
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Note added at 14 hrs (2021-04-28 02:24:56 GMT)
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as in "be the ball" in golf
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Note added at 14 hrs (2021-04-28 02:27:22 GMT)
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a zen approach and "mentally absorb the wine" as another option
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Note added at 14 hrs (2021-04-28 02:32:41 GMT)
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or: "imagine the wine" and I think this might well be acceptable to your client
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Note added at 14 hrs (2021-04-28 02:33:53 GMT)
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yes, I think "imagine" is workable here...
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Note added at 15 hrs (2021-04-28 03:20:15 GMT)
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has to be seen from the producer's perspective
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Note added at 14 hrs (2021-04-28 02:24:56 GMT)
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as in "be the ball" in golf
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Note added at 14 hrs (2021-04-28 02:27:22 GMT)
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a zen approach and "mentally absorb the wine" as another option
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Note added at 14 hrs (2021-04-28 02:32:41 GMT)
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or: "imagine the wine" and I think this might well be acceptable to your client
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Note added at 14 hrs (2021-04-28 02:33:53 GMT)
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yes, I think "imagine" is workable here...
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Note added at 15 hrs (2021-04-28 03:20:15 GMT)
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has to be seen from the producer's perspective
Note from asker:
| Thank you :) |
16 mins
Contemplate the wine
Something just short of mystical.
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Note added at 6 hrs (2021-04-27 18:22:39 GMT)
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What if we were to turn wine appreciation on its head, as if rediscovering depended on us? Slogans such as Make Wine Meaningful and Rescue the Wine could capture that thought.
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Note added at 1 day 11 hrs (2021-04-28 23:40:25 GMT)
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If not melodramatic, there’s Embrace the Wine.
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Note added at 6 hrs (2021-04-27 18:22:39 GMT)
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What if we were to turn wine appreciation on its head, as if rediscovering depended on us? Slogans such as Make Wine Meaningful and Rescue the Wine could capture that thought.
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Note added at 1 day 11 hrs (2021-04-28 23:40:25 GMT)
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If not melodramatic, there’s Embrace the Wine.
Note from asker:
| Thank you :) |
Discussion
I've basically said to him, "Look, Think (the) Wine just doesn't cut it, you're not happy with Feel (the) Wine (maybe he can't give a deeper meaning to 'sentir', I don't know...), so I'll consult Proz and give you the list of terms and explanations my fellow translators have come up with, and you choose." Pfff... :D