Apr 20, 2021 18:23
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English term

Signature/signing/signed

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Which sentence(s) does sound correct to you as a native speaker? I don't want to include my thoughts in order to avoid some issues.

"He later gave her the employment contract for signature."
"He later gave her the employment contract for signing."
"He later gave her the employment contract to be signed."

Thank you in advance.
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Non-PRO (2): Tony M, Yvonne Gallagher

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Discussion

Yvonne Gallagher Apr 30, 2021:
@ Asker Re your question to Tony as to "Non-Pro". This is En<>En so
we natives don't need to look up dictionaries/grammar books or research this and 3 of us instantly chose the infinitive "to sign" as the best fit in the context as given. So how can you say we were "challenged"? Because one person was out of step? Yes, 3 of us had some misgivings about the position of "later" but if we'd had the complete context that would also have been completely clear at the outset. And you specifically addressed the question to natives, generally the case in this pair.
Yassine El Bouknify (asker) Apr 23, 2021:
Thank you all for your useful information .
Yvonne Gallagher Apr 21, 2021:
agree with Mark None of these options, mainly because of the position of "later" but also because "for signature" and "for signing" are usually to be found in different structures.

These letters are for signing in the IN tray,
OR these letters are awaiting signature

The timeline is needed for context. Usually, contracts are given to be looked over and signed later. They are not signed on the spot.

So, the posiion of "later":

(Some time) after the interview he gave her the contract to sign
Later, he gave her the contract to sign

OR
he gave her the contract and asked her to get it back to him the next day
He gave her the contract to sign later
philgoddard Apr 20, 2021:
I don't agree, Mark. They all look OK to me, and for once I don't think context is necessary. Your second suggestion changes the meaning and creates an ambiguity that's not there - all three of Yassine's versions mean "at some stage after this event, he gave her the contract for signature".
Mark Robertson Apr 20, 2021:
Depending on the context. 1. Later, he gave her the employment contract to sign.
2. He gave her the employment contract to sign later.
Yassine El Bouknify (asker) Apr 20, 2021:
Unfortunately there's no context Because these sentences are taken from a test. So, I find it quite astonishing that educators (in the field of education) write inappropriate gaps which are meant to be filled out. For example, they ask students to choose from a list of choices, such as "signing, signed, signature, and so on.
Mark Robertson Apr 20, 2021:
@Yassine There must be a glitch. I did not do that x3.
Mark Robertson Apr 20, 2021:
@Yassine Is there any context you can give?
Mark Robertson Apr 20, 2021:
@Yassine Is there any context you can give?
Mark Robertson Apr 20, 2021:
@Yassine Is there any context you can give?
Yassine El Bouknify (asker) Apr 20, 2021:
Sure. I doubt their correctness. It's why I asked This question. Go ahead please
Mark Robertson Apr 20, 2021:
None of the above. All the options you have provided need improvement. Are you open to alternative suggestions?

Responses

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14 hrs
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He later gave her the employment contract to sign.

The trouble is, they don't all necessarily mean exactly the same thing!
I have suggested this as possibly the best solution closest to your three suggestions; but again, the word order can change the meaning, and this may not be optimal.
If we assume 'she' is looking to be employed by 'him', then it is clearest if we use 'to sign' — that way, it is pretty much totally clear that it is for her to sign.
But suppose this is in fact, say, the secretary who is giving the contract to his CEO to get someone else to sign — in that case, the other 2 options would be better, as leaving it open as to who will be doing the signing.

Likewise, the position of 'later' as you have it may not be ideal, and can change the slant.
"He later..." sounds a little unnatural to me in EN, and seems to imply soemthing about the temporal relationship between the 2 events that may or may not be intended. If we wrote "He showed her round the factory, and then later gave her the contract to sign", it is clear and unequivocal as to the sequence of events and connection between them. "Later, he gave her the contract to sign" suggest perhaps more of a contrast between the sequence of events" — it could imply the 2 events are unrelated. "He had a coffee. Later, he gave her one"
Pushing 'later' to a position later in the sentence could imply a separation in time is intended: "He introduced her to the other staff, and then only later did he give her the contract to sign."
So all your suggestions could be right, but have possible differences of nuance.
Note from asker:
Do you think it's a "NON-PRO question" since even native translators have found it quite challenging to come up with the correct answer? Thank you for your explanation, by the way.
Peer comment(s):

agree Yvonne Gallagher : I agree with you (and Mark) the infinitive "to sign" is best for a test. I really wouldn't use that position for "later" and see you have misgivings as well. A timeline and context would be good to know who is to do the signing and when
46 mins
Thank you,Yvonne!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thank you Tony "
-1
20 hrs

They're all the same

The only ambiguity is who will be doing the signing: it could be her, or she could pass it on to someone else. But that's not material here, and would be obvious from the "context".

I also think "he later gave her" is perfectly clear.
Peer comment(s):

disagree Yvonne Gallagher : not at all
2 hrs
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-1
1 hr

"He later gave her the employment contract for signing."

"He later gave her the employment contract for signing." sounds most natural in English.

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Note added at 23 hrs (2021-04-21 18:19:46 GMT)
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Assuming "her" is the one to sign, I would use:
"He later gave her the employment contract to sign."
Peer comment(s):

neutral writeaway : convincing refs to back so much confidence
25 mins
neutral Cilian O'Tuama : in whose English?
6 hrs
disagree Yvonne Gallagher : not at all natural
13 hrs
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