French term
tuteur gardien légal
There is a section on the form concerning the "répondant", asking for his/her name and including checkboxes to indicate whether the respondent is a parent, tuteur or gardien légal. That's all the context.
I'm not sure what the difference between tuteur and gardien légal would be.
Thanks.
3 | Custodian or legal guardian | Timothy Rake |
3 | holder of parental authority | Conor McAuley |
3 | CanE / AmE: court-appointed supervisor vs. legal guardian | Adrian MM. |
3 -2 | Legal Tutor | Bokani Hart |
Jan 20, 2021 18:59: philgoddard changed "Field" from "Social Sciences" to "Other" , "Field (write-in)" from "Mental Health Care referral form" to "(none)"
Proposed translations
Custodian or legal guardian
holder of parental authority
Assuming the context is Canada, I have found a few government websites where "tuteur légal" is translated as "legal guardian", like this one.
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/se... (toggle between French and English at the top of the page)
Termium has "guardian" for "tuteur" https://www.btb.termiumplus.gc.ca/tpv2alpha/alpha-eng.html?l... but with the following useful note:
"Depending on the provincial or territorial law, the guardian is responsible for making decisions about the person or the estate of the person or both the person and the estate."
So it depends on the province or territory in question, and we need this detail to investigate further.
As a one-size-fits-all solution, I would suggest the answer I posted.
242,000 ghits for what it's worth.
"holder of parental authority"
https://www.google.com/search?q="holder of parental authorit...
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Ontario:
https://www.cleo.on.ca/fr/publications/poapcf/quest-ce-quun-... FR
https://www.cleo.on.ca/en/publications/power/what-guardian-p... EN
So, awkwardly, you're left with guardian and legal guardian...
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My first answer is based on "La tutelle découle de l'exercice de l'autorité parentale" on the website posted by Phil.
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Eliza Hall
: That works for the tuteur, but not the gardien. https://www.informelle.osbl.ca/public/chroniques-juridiques_...
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Yes, thanks for pointing that out Eliza, my full answer should read "holder of parental authority / legal guardian". I thought that the translation of the second term was obvious, as it is a direct calque from the English.
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CanE / AmE: court-appointed supervisor vs. legal guardian
Query in E+W: a Court of Protection Deputy or, financially, judicial trustee
Scots law: tutor or tutrix
Legal guardian: an adoptive or foster parent automatically turns into one without any court appointment, though the legal status of a 'finder' of a 'foundling' - and who takes in and cares for such child - presents a problem in private international law / English bolted-on conflict of laws - but I never made it to the second lecture...
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AmE also for tuteur: 'fiduciary appointee' qualified to act as a 'receiver' - the former name in E+W for a Court of Protection Deputy
https://www.nycourts.gov/ip/gfs/igfiduciary.html
Can: Further, supervisors should be trained staff of the courts, not members of either parent’s family. When supervised access is awarded, women said that the duration is only short-term.
AmE: NYC Surrogate's Court: 'I felt I really had to let her supervisor know of what a terrific representative she is for the City. Thank you.'
http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/fl-lf/famil/cons/fpt_cons/pdf/mrep-rapp.pdf
http://www.legalzoom.com/articles/what-is-the-difference-between-a-guardian-trustee-and-executor
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Eliza Hall
: In EN "tutor" has a connotation of teaching. It's not about child custody or guardianship.
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I am familiar with the concepts of academic tutors, child custody and guardianship, but my answer was based on the information contained in the link from Éducaloi whose mission is to facilitate access to justice in Quebec.
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Yelena Perel
: I agree with Eliza
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Thanks Yelena, but see response to Eliza.
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The difference
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Conor McAuley
: gardien légal struck me as a calque of legal guardian, so I thought it was French (Canada)
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Adrian MM.
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The difference under Canadian law
"La tutelle et la garde ne confèrent pas les mêmes responsabilités. Ainsi, seul le tuteur à l’enfant mineur sera habilité à donner son autorisation par rapport à certaines décisions concernant l’enfant ou ses biens. On pense, entre autres, à l’autorisation d’administrer certains soins à un enfant de moins de 14 ans qui sont requis pour sa santé, ou à certaines décisions concernant l’école que fréquentera l’enfant. Le gardien ne sera pas non plus habilité à administrer un important montant d’argent que l’enfant aurait pu recevoir par héritage. Toutefois, le gardien aura un devoir de surveillance et d’éducation envers l’enfant."
https://www.informelle.osbl.ca/public/chroniques-juridiques_...
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writeaway
: always helpful to get information from the actual source
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"Physical custody refers to where the child will primarily live and which parent will care for them on a daily basis....
The second type of custody, legal custody, refers to the parent’s right to make decisions on the child’s behalf. This includes making choices about the child’s education, non-emergency medical needs, extracurricular activities, religious life, and more."
https://www.oxlawfirm.com/physical-custody-vs-legal-custody-...
Again, those terms almost always refer to parents, and they're both awarded by courts. The FR terms are also roles determined by courts, but they're often used for non-parents.
"Gardien" is someone to whom a court has given PHYSICAL custody of the child. The kid lives with them and they care for the child daily, but can't make major decisions for the child.
"Tuteur" is the one to whom a court has given LEGAL custody. They make major decisions for the child.
"La tutelle et la garde ne confèrent pas les mêmes responsabilités. Ainsi, seul le tuteur à l’enfant mineur sera habilité à donner son autorisation par rapport à certaines décisions concernant l’enfant ou ses biens. On pense, entre autres, à l’autorisation d’administrer certains soins à un enfant de moins de 14 ans qui sont requis pour sa santé, ou à certaines décisions concernant l’école que fréquentera l’enfant. Le gardien ne sera pas non plus habilité à administrer un important montant d’argent que l’enfant aurait pu recevoir par héritage. Toutefois, le gardien aura un devoir de surveillance et d’éducation envers l’enfant."
https://www.informelle.osbl.ca/public/chroniques-juridiques_...