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Aug 20, 2020 14:34
3 yrs ago
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German term

tangiert ... einen Ablagerungsstandort

German to English Tech/Engineering Architecture
"Die Projektparzelle tangiert gemäss Kataster der belasteten Standorte (KbS) des Kantons Zürich einen Ablagerungsstandort."

Talking about a construction site in Zurich. Does "tangiert" mean "borders on" here, or how would you translate it?

TIA.
Proposed translations (English)
4 +2 is contiguous with [a landfill site]
4 encroaches on... a (former) waste disposal site
5 -1 touches ... old deposit (site)
4 touches upon (a landfill site) [w. valid ref.]
3 +1 adjoins a (former) landfill site
3 -1 straddles a waste disposal site

Discussion

Johannes Gleim Aug 24, 2020:
Continued Note: A landfill is not dangerous per se, but could become so if it is not carefully monitored. The "Ablagerungsstandort" dates back to unknown time acc. my researches (no date found in any source), e.g.:

Dabei, sowie bei verschiedenen weiteren Ablagerungsstandorten zwischen Windlach und Glattfelden (Wiederauffüllungen der Kiesgruben) handelt es sich um belastete Standorte ohne Untersuchungs- oder Überwachungs-/Sanierungsbedarf (de-finitive Klassierung nach Art. 5 Abs. a AltlV).
https://www.nagra.ch/display.cfm/id/102401/disp_type/display...

That's why I hesitate to call it "landfill". It's rather a dump.
Johannes Gleim Aug 24, 2020:
What is a "landfill"? A landfill site, also known as a tip, dump, rubbish dump, garbage dump, or dumping ground, is a site for the disposal of waste materials. Landfill is the oldest and most common form of waste disposal, although the systematic burial of the waste with daily, intermediate and final covers only began in 1940s.
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The term landfill is usually shorthand for a municipal landfill or sanitary landfill. These facilities were first introduced early in the 20th century, but gained wide use in the 1960s and 1970s, in an effort to eliminate open dumps and other "unsanitary" waste disposal practices.
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Landfills have the potential to cause a number of issues. Infrastructure disruption, such as damage to access roads by heavy vehicles, may occur. Pollution of local roads and water courses from wheels on vehicles when they leave the landfill can be significant and can be mitigated by wheel washing systems. Pollution of the local environment, such as contamination of groundwater or aquifers or soil contamination may occur, as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landfill
Johannes Gleim Aug 21, 2020:
@ Schtroumpf & Kim As fas as I see you are supporting two answers with "landfill", but different translations for "tangiert". Would be nice to select your preferences.

BTW: Did you read the definitions for "Altablagerung" und "Ablagerungsstandort" and it's translations?
Note: Not all landfills complies to this definition. Hence, over-interpretation.

BTW: We have to translate not only "Ablagerungsstandort", but also "tangieren". For the latter term I think that "encroaching" or "straddle" do not coney the sense of "tangieren"while "adjoins" or "contiguous with" would work, and "touches", notably.
Chris Pr Aug 20, 2020:
Kudoz Rule 3.1: "guessing systematically is not allowed."

Proposed translations

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8 hrs
German term (edited): tangiert [... einen Ablagerungsstandort]
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is contiguous with [a landfill site]

"borders on" captures the meaning well.
"is contiguous with" is an elegant alternative.


next to or touching another, usually similar, thing:
Synonym: neighbouring (UK)
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/contiguo...



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Note added at 10 hrs (2020-08-21 01:27:01 GMT)
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Buildings on sites that have a contiguous boundary with a site with a volcanic feature mapped as an outstanding natural feature
https://unitaryplan.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/Images/Auckland ...

Adjacent to or contiguous with SSN site: the former Cheetham Saltworks…
https://www.water.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0020/529...

Does the project site contain, or is it substantially contiguous to, any buildings, archaeological site or district which is listed on the National or State Register of Historical Places?
https://www.dec.ny.gov/permits/91760.html
Peer comment(s):
agree Schtroumpf
12 hrs
agree Kim Metzger
16 hrs
neutral Johannes Gleim : "landfill site" is overinterpretated as the asked term relates only to dangerous sites. See Wikipedia. Nothing against "contiguous" // "iron ore" is irrelevant. And corrections are allowed, or not?
2 days 19 hrs
Your original suggestion was 'deposition', which was totally wide of the mark. Your replacement - 'deposit' - is equally wrong. Try googling 'iron ore deposits'; you will find that these are natural resources waiting to be extracted/mined.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks to everyone for their input! Have now seen a map and the site does indeed border on a landfill site."
22 mins

encroaches on... a (former) waste disposal site

touches/borders on... a former waste disposal site;
Peer comment(s):
agree philgoddard : I don't think "encroaches" is quite right, though.
1 hr
There are certainly other options; thanks, Phil.
disagree Johannes Gleim : Sorry, wrong interpretation. Cf. back-translation https://dict.leo.org/englisch-deutsch/encroach
5 hrs
No comment.
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12 hrs

straddles a waste disposal site

We need to take the verb register down a notch. "Tangieren" has a level of abstraction that doesn't work very well in English.

According to the Canton of Zurich Cadaster of Contaminated Sites (KbS), the project parcel straddles a waste disposal site.
Peer comment(s):
neutral Andrew Bramhall : only if it had two legs...
3 hrs
I think that comment doesn't even have one leg to stand on
disagree Mair A-W (PhD) : this... is not what straddle means
16 hrs
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18 hrs

touches ... old deposit (site)

The term "deposition" is not really wrong but ambiguously. See below:

deposition noun (LAYER) [ U ]geologyspecialized
the formation of a layer of a substance such as soil or rock, or the substance that forms the layer
the process by which solid materials, such as earth and rock, are added to gradually by the action of wind or water, or the structure resulting from this process
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/depositi...

That’s why I do repost my answer with standard expression.

Der Begriff " Ablagerungsstandort" ist typisch für die Schweiz und bezeichnet

Eine Altablagerung (in der Schweiz rechtlich: Ablagerungsstandort) ist im Umweltschutz und in der Raumplanung eine Deponie, von der Gefahren für die Gesundheit des Menschen oder die Umwelt ausgehen.
Im Umweltrecht wird der Begriff Altlast meist weiter unterschieden in Altstandorte – Anlagen, in denen mit umweltgefährdenden Stoffen umgegangen wurde – und Altablagerungen: Das sind stillgelegte oder unbefugte Ablagerungen von Abfällen oder Geländeauffüllungen mit bedenklichen Materialien, bei denen durch die schädliche Bodenveränderungen, Grundwasserverschmutzung oder sonstige Gefahren für den Einzelnen oder die Allgemeinheit ausgehen.[1] Dabei ist in vielen Fällen nicht klar zu entscheiden, ob es sich um eine seinerzeit genehmigte Deponie oder eine ungenehmigte wilde Müllkippe handelt
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Deutschland
Altablagerungen im Sinne von § 2 Abs. 5 Nr. 1 des Bundes-Bodenschutzgesetzes sind stillgelegte Abfallbeseitigungsanlagen sowie sonstige Grundstücke, auf denen Abfälle behandelt, gelagert oder abgelagert worden sind.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altablagerung

Zum Vergleich: Der beschriebene Uran-Tailings pond Moab/Utah, USA gehörte ebenfalls zu einer sandsteingebundenen tabularen Uranlagerstätte, „Atlas Mill Uranium deposit“
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Die hier zu ziehende Schlussfolgerung ist, dass ein Vergleich der radioaktiven Inventare der Tailings ponds der SDAG Wismut und der Ablagerungsstandorte für radioaktive Abfälle in einer Anlage gemäß § 9a AtG auch eine reale Risikobewertung der Standorte untereinander ermöglicht und insbesondere die Darstellungen für die Schachtanlage As-se II relativiert
https://azpdf.tips/endlagerung-aller-arten-von-radioaktiven-...

old deposit die Altablagerung Pl.: die Altablagerungen
abandoned waste disposal site [UMWELT] die Altablagerung Pl.: die Altablagerungen
brownfield [UMWELT] die Altablagerung Pl.: die Altablagerungen
contaminated deposit [UMWELT] die b>Altablagerung Pl.: die Altablagerungen
https://dict.leo.org/englisch-deutsch/Altablagerung

Altablagerungf / old deposit
(Gelbrich, Fachwörterbuch Architektur und Bauwesen)

Dies geschieht durch Nachweis der maximal möglichen Belastungen im Grundwasserleiter am Standort einer Deponie oder Altablagerung.
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This is accomplished by detecting the maximum possible groundwater loads at the site of a landfill or old waste deposit.
https://www.muellundabfall.de/ce/bemessung-von-sicherungssys...

Der Stand der Erfassung von altlastverdächtigen Altablagerungen, Altstandorten und Altlasten (Kataster) in den Bundesländern wurde recherchiert, dokumentiert und bewertet.
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The current status with respect to the recording of old depositssuspected of constituting contaminated sites, abandoned sites and contaminated sites (registers) in the German states was determined, documented and evaluated.
https://www.umweltbundesamt.de/sites/default/files/medien/pu...

tangieren touch
tangieren be tangent
tangieren be tangent to
https://de.pons.com/übersetzung/wyhlidal-automotive-technik-...

to be tangent to math. tangieren
to touch on [affect, bear on] tangieren [berühren]
https://www.dict.cc/?s=tangieren

RO, Tulcea : Danube Delta – Sulina, the place where the river touches the sky
https://1000placesandmemories.wordpress.com/2019/03/17/ro-tu...

The river touches the center of the town to make its outlet southward.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Awetu_River

For much of its extent, Kriegsstraße forms a border between city districts on its northern and southern side. As a result, the street touches on or leads through the districts of Oststadt, Südstadt, Innenstadt-Ost, Innenstadt-West, Südweststadt and Weststadt.
https://en.ka.stadtwiki.net/Kriegsstraße

The parcel touches public road so you can building two houses and subdivide if desired.
http://guidetocostaricarealestate.com/guide-to-costa-rica-re...

Only a small piece of the lot touches the subdivision road providing the most privacy of any of the lot.
https://www.trogonheights.com/lot-8.html

The plot touches the main asphalt road. It is 300 meters away from taverna, coffee shop and market in Litsarda.
https://myrealcrete.gr/properties/6500-m2-plot-between-litsa...

Context translation:

"According to the Cadastre of Contaminated Sites (KbS) of the Canton of Zurich, the project plot touches an old deposit (site).
Peer comment(s):
disagree Steffen Walter : "Ablagerungsstandort" is the same as a "Deponie", which is why "landfill site" is the term to be used here, whereas "deposit" is a false friend no matter what (some) dictionaries say.
1 hr
Sorry, I used the official terms, applied in Switzerland and Germany acc. references. You cannot correct official terms or its definition.
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8 hrs

touches upon (a landfill site) [w. valid ref.]

"...die Deponie an eine Seite tangiert..."

"...just touches the landfill site on one side..."

https://www.yumpu.com/de/document/read/8472226/project-thyss...

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Note added at 9 hrs (2020-08-20 23:58:42 GMT)
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I think a solid reference from a Thyssen-Krupp article might be preferred to 'magical thinking'...

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Note added at 19 hrs (2020-08-21 09:35:45 GMT)
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The term 'tangiert',at least in this context, is fully synonymous with 'berührt'...:
https://dict.leo.org/german-english/berührt
Peer comment(s):
neutral Lancashireman : Re solid reference from a Thyssen-Krupp article: "Another problem was able to be overcome by way of an advantageous design." Typical of a translation into EN by a GNS. Bilingual refs are only as reliable as the language skills of the original translator.
2 days 15 hrs
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20 hrs
German term (edited): tangiert einen Ablagerungsstandort

adjoins a (former) landfill site

Another suggestion to add to the variety (I'd also agree with the previous "is contiguous with" and "touches upon").

See references:

https://shropshire.gov.uk/committee-services/Data/South Plan... (p. 9; "The allocated site adjoins a landfill site, although the application site is located away from the boundary with the landfill.")

http://www.nnjpdu.org.uk/site/assets/files/1215/final_update... (p. 77; "Site also adjoins a landfill site.")
Peer comment(s):
agree Schtroumpf
9 mins
disagree Johannes Gleim : "landfill" is incorrect, as "Ablagerungsstandort" means a contained brownfield, disposal site or landfill, endangering the environnement as specified . Not all landfills are dangerous.
3 hrs
agree Kim Metzger
4 hrs
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