Jul 30, 2020 14:54
3 yrs ago
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French term

une édition papier/format PDF

French to English Bus/Financial Accounting
This is my second question from a text that quotes the "Guide Pratique relatif à la lutte contre le blanchiment et contre le financement du terrorisme"(2018 edition). The whole sentence is:

Un contrôle automatique se matérialisera dans le système et le contrôle manuel via une édition papier/format PDF avec un commentaire des résultats.

I'm a little unsure about the whole thing to be honest, is it saying that an automatic control takes place in the system while a manual control is done using paper/PDF format with a discussion of the results?
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Discussion

Suzie Withers Jul 30, 2020:
Yep, agree that version is more appropriate
SafeTex Jul 30, 2020:
Version? Despite the French "edition", I think we would use "version" here.
Suzie Withers Jul 30, 2020:
I think I would use "check" rather than "control" though...
Vivien Green (asker) Jul 30, 2020:
Thank you Phil!
philgoddard Jul 30, 2020:
Yes!

Proposed translations

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6 hrs
Selected

a hard copy/PDF

You don't need to translate "édition" or "format".
Peer comment(s):

agree AllegroTrans
13 hrs
agree Suzie Withers
13 hrs
neutral Daryo : maybe you can keep "simplifying" to no end, but you need to be aware that PDF is a format for ***electronic files*** NOT for paper ... as one could misinterpret your version.
3 days 17 hrs
agree Yvonne Gallagher : yes, D doesn't seem to understand what a slash means
7 days
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45 mins

a print/printed edition and pdf format

my take
Peer comment(s):

neutral Thomas Miles : 'printed version'
3 hrs
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19 hrs

paper version/PDF format

This is how I would translate it.
I take it to be a pdf that can also be printed out and returned completed.
Peer comment(s):

agree AllegroTrans
37 mins
Thanks AllegroTrans
agree Suzie Withers
45 mins
Thanks
neutral Daryo : this could easily be misinterpreted as PDF being a format for paper ... A4 or Letter are "formats" for paper, PDF is a format for electronic files.
3 days 4 hrs
Well, it mimics the Swedish and is a translation and not an explanation of what we have. PDF is also internationally recognized so I do not agree with you but that's life eh?
agree GILLES MEUNIER
7 days
Thanks Gilou
agree Yvonne Gallagher
8 days
Thanks Yvonne.
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4 days

a printable file (/ document) in PDF format

The manual control of accounts is not "done" using "paper/PDF format", it's the findings / the report of the manual control that has to be "presented as" a PDF file (an electronic file) [presumably a non-editable PDF] **and when and if needed** a printed version / paper version of the said PDF file (in as many copies as needed).

A clue : "avec un commentaire des résultats" => the PDF file is the report, NOT a form to be filled.


In fact, there is an implied repetition:

Un contrôle automatique se matérialisera dans le système et le contrôle manuel via une édition papier/format PDF avec un commentaire des résultats.
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Un contrôle automatique se matérialisera dans le système (=> une alerte / un rapport sera généré automatiquement par le logiciel / le "système").
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Le contrôle manuel [se matérialisera dans le système] via une édition papier/format PDF avec un commentaire des résultats.

So in fact what will be added to **the IT system** is an electronic file "ready for printing" (= in PDF format). The whole point of the PDF format for electronic files being that what you see on the screen is exactly how it will look when printed.

No actual paper anywhere to be seen ... until someone wants a printed copy.


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Note added at 4 days (2020-08-03 15:12:40 GMT)
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Findings from manual control will be presented as a printable file (/ ready-to-print document) in PDF format.
Peer comment(s):

disagree Yvonne Gallagher : "une édition papier" does not mean "printable"//LOL who SAID you that is English???
4 days
Really? Never never? Who said you that? Google Translate?
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6 hrs

a pdf formatted printed edition

It describes a "Practical guide relative to the struggle against money laundering and the financing of terrorism 2018. An automatic control will materialize in the system while a manual control prints paper which shows a commentary of results."

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Note added at 3 days 8 hrs (2020-08-02 23:44:25 GMT)
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I believed that PDF files are read-only and that they can be readily printed on adobe or acrobat reader / writer.

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Note added at 4 days (2020-08-03 15:03:34 GMT)
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Similarly others who answered the same question stated that the PDF files can be printed. ("Paper version of the said PDF file .. printed")

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Note added at 7 days (2020-08-07 14:18:13 GMT)
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https://helpx.adobe.com/uk/acrobat/kb/printing-tips-acrobat-...
Peer comment(s):

disagree Daryo : PDF is a standard for electronic files so they is no way that anything printed on paper could be "PDF" // PDF files are designed to be "printable" but PDF is a file-type /"format" for *electronic files* i.e. NO SUCH THING as "paper in PDF format"
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