Glossary entry (derived from question below)
German term or phrase:
Bahnversatz
English translation:
lateral offset /separation [SLB]
Added to glossary by
Chris Pr
Mar 20, 2020 10:42
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Bahnversatz
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Hi everyone,
the term is from a document outlining the proposal for the extension of Berlin airport. This is a practice piece for Uni. The full document can be found here: https://lbv.brandenburg.de/3123.htm
• Anlage einer neuen, 1.900 Meter südlich davon gelegenen SLB (künftig südliche SLB 07R/25L) mit einer Länge von 4.000 Metern und einem Bahnversatz zur nördlichen SLB von 1.250 Metern;
At the moment I am thinking along the lines of :
…. off-set lane to the northern runway of 1250m.
Or is this the term for a taxiway or blast pad?
the term is from a document outlining the proposal for the extension of Berlin airport. This is a practice piece for Uni. The full document can be found here: https://lbv.brandenburg.de/3123.htm
• Anlage einer neuen, 1.900 Meter südlich davon gelegenen SLB (künftig südliche SLB 07R/25L) mit einer Länge von 4.000 Metern und einem Bahnversatz zur nördlichen SLB von 1.250 Metern;
At the moment I am thinking along the lines of :
…. off-set lane to the northern runway of 1250m.
Or is this the term for a taxiway or blast pad?
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 +2 | lateral spacing [offset] [separation] |
Chris Pr
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| 3 +4 | runway centerline spacing |
Bernd Runge
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| 5 | (runway) offset |
Johannes Gleim
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| 4 -1 | separation |
Cillie Swart
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Change log
Mar 24, 2020 14:52: Chris Pr changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/2291774">Yana Ellis's</a> old entry - "Bahnversatz"" to ""lateral spacing [offset] [separation]""
Proposed translations
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lateral spacing [offset] [separation]
This is the actual distance between the two runways....
"In summary,
"For simultaneous landings and takeoffs using VFR, the minimum separation between centerlines of parallel runways is 700 feet (213 m)."
For simultaneous IFR operations, "Dual simultaneous precision instrument approaches are normally approved on parallel runway centerline separation of 4,300 feet (1311 m). On a case-by-case basis, the FAA will consider proposals utilizing separations down to a minimum of 3,000 feet (914 m) where a 4,300 foot (1311 m) separation is impractical. This reduction of separation requires special high update radar, monitoring equipment, etc." Note: Simultaneous Offset Instrument Approaches allow as little as 750 ft between runway centerlines."
https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/12931/what-is-t...
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...adapting your own example, Yana...
"...and a lateral offset to the northern runway of 1250m..."
A better solution than using the word "runway" three times in one single sentence... :)
"In summary,
"For simultaneous landings and takeoffs using VFR, the minimum separation between centerlines of parallel runways is 700 feet (213 m)."
For simultaneous IFR operations, "Dual simultaneous precision instrument approaches are normally approved on parallel runway centerline separation of 4,300 feet (1311 m). On a case-by-case basis, the FAA will consider proposals utilizing separations down to a minimum of 3,000 feet (914 m) where a 4,300 foot (1311 m) separation is impractical. This reduction of separation requires special high update radar, monitoring equipment, etc." Note: Simultaneous Offset Instrument Approaches allow as little as 750 ft between runway centerlines."
https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/12931/what-is-t...
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Note added at 3 hrs (2020-03-20 14:10:37 GMT)
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...adapting your own example, Yana...
"...and a lateral offset to the northern runway of 1250m..."
A better solution than using the word "runway" three times in one single sentence... :)
Note from asker:
| Thank you so much for your help Chris! Really appreciate it. Yana |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Kim Metzger
: https://mil.brandenburg.de/sixcms/detail.php/bb1.c.155589.de
3 hrs
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| agree |
Barbara Schmidt, M.A. (X)
: agree - http://www.atmseminar.org/seminarContent/seminar9/papers/28-...
5 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thank you Chris!:)"
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Johannes Gleim
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8
(runway) offset
Verlängerung der bestehenden südlichen Start- und Landebahn (SLB) (künftig nördliche SLB 07L/25R) um 600 Meter auf 3.600 Meter;
Anlage einer neuen, 1.900 Meter südlich davon gelegenen SLB (künftig südliche SLB 07R/25L) mit einer Länge von 4.000 Metern und einem Bahnversatz zur nördlichen SLB von 1.250 Metern;
https://lbv.brandenburg.de/3123.htm
Oberbau, Oberbaukonstruktion Eisenbahnhochbau, Kunstbauten
DE Versatz nm
Definition: Abweichung der Funktionsebenen der Fahrwegausrüstungskomponenten zweier benachbarter Fahrwegträger in Vertikal- und Querrichtung.
EN offset
Definition: Offset of the functional levels of the guideway equipment components of two neighbouring guideway beams in vertical and lateral direction.
EN offset
Definition: Offset of the functional levels of the guideway equipment components of two neighbouring guideway beams in vertical and lateral direction.
(from UIC Raillexic)
taxiway [AVIAT.] die Rollbahn Pl.: die Rollbahnen
https://dict.leo.org/englisch-deutsch/Rollbahn
runway [AVIAT.] die Startbahn Pl.: die Startbahnen
https://dict.leo.org/englisch-deutsch/Startbahn
runway [AVIAT.] die Landebahn Pl.: die Landebahnen
landing runway [AVIAT.] die Landebahn Pl.: die Landebahnen
https://dict.leo.org/englisch-deutsch/Landebahn
The Obstacle Free Zone (OFZ) for a precision instrument runway is considered as an alternate criterion to develop runway-taxiway separation. The offset, shown in figure 2-6, is an imaginary surface, 400 feet wide, at the elevation of the runway, which slopes upward and outward beyond 400 fee at a 3:1 slope. The minimum runway-taxiway separation which allows a B-767 to taxi on the proposed parallel taxiway without this tail (53 feet high) or its wing (span = 156 feet) penetrating the OFZ was calculated a 359 feet. A 359 foot offset option with proportionally less impacts than the 400 foot offsetwas therefore considered.
Although a final approval of this waiver of taxiway offset has not been granted, the preliminary response from the FAA indicates that this is a viable alternative. There is concern, however, that pursuing this waiver and construing the taxiway with a 359 foot offset may preclude the future installation of a Category II (DAT II) ILS approach system on Runway 11.
https://books.google.de/books?id=nvo0AQAAMAAJ&pg=SA2-PA11&lp...
(Worcester Municipal Airport, Five(5) Year Plan of Improvement)
Taxiway addition - Associated with the extension of both runway 3nd 8 and runway end 13 is the modification of the adjacent parallel taxiway. Towards providing future Category ll capability a new parallel taxiway offset 600 ft. is planned for runway 8-26. The western segment, 3600 ft. in length, should be constructed when the runway end 8 is extended.
https://books.google.de/books?id=j_c0AQAAMAAJ&pg=SL3-PA69&lp...
(Cedar Rapids Municipal Airport ALP: Environmental Impact Statement)
For instance, the runway-taxiway offsetof 275 feet in the extension of Taxiway 'B, ' which will require of modification of standards from FAA, was adopted specifically to reduce impacts to wetlands located east of the taxiway.
https://books.google.de/books?id=Kvc0AQAAMAAJ&pg=SA1-PA17&lp...
(Tweed-New Haven Airport Runway Safety Area and Taxiway Improvements Project)
And so on …
Anlage einer neuen, 1.900 Meter südlich davon gelegenen SLB (künftig südliche SLB 07R/25L) mit einer Länge von 4.000 Metern und einem Bahnversatz zur nördlichen SLB von 1.250 Metern;
https://lbv.brandenburg.de/3123.htm
Oberbau, Oberbaukonstruktion Eisenbahnhochbau, Kunstbauten
DE Versatz nm
Definition: Abweichung der Funktionsebenen der Fahrwegausrüstungskomponenten zweier benachbarter Fahrwegträger in Vertikal- und Querrichtung.
EN offset
Definition: Offset of the functional levels of the guideway equipment components of two neighbouring guideway beams in vertical and lateral direction.
EN offset
Definition: Offset of the functional levels of the guideway equipment components of two neighbouring guideway beams in vertical and lateral direction.
(from UIC Raillexic)
taxiway [AVIAT.] die Rollbahn Pl.: die Rollbahnen
https://dict.leo.org/englisch-deutsch/Rollbahn
runway [AVIAT.] die Startbahn Pl.: die Startbahnen
https://dict.leo.org/englisch-deutsch/Startbahn
runway [AVIAT.] die Landebahn Pl.: die Landebahnen
landing runway [AVIAT.] die Landebahn Pl.: die Landebahnen
https://dict.leo.org/englisch-deutsch/Landebahn
The Obstacle Free Zone (OFZ) for a precision instrument runway is considered as an alternate criterion to develop runway-taxiway separation. The offset, shown in figure 2-6, is an imaginary surface, 400 feet wide, at the elevation of the runway, which slopes upward and outward beyond 400 fee at a 3:1 slope. The minimum runway-taxiway separation which allows a B-767 to taxi on the proposed parallel taxiway without this tail (53 feet high) or its wing (span = 156 feet) penetrating the OFZ was calculated a 359 feet. A 359 foot offset option with proportionally less impacts than the 400 foot offsetwas therefore considered.
Although a final approval of this waiver of taxiway offset has not been granted, the preliminary response from the FAA indicates that this is a viable alternative. There is concern, however, that pursuing this waiver and construing the taxiway with a 359 foot offset may preclude the future installation of a Category II (DAT II) ILS approach system on Runway 11.
https://books.google.de/books?id=nvo0AQAAMAAJ&pg=SA2-PA11&lp...
(Worcester Municipal Airport, Five(5) Year Plan of Improvement)
Taxiway addition - Associated with the extension of both runway 3nd 8 and runway end 13 is the modification of the adjacent parallel taxiway. Towards providing future Category ll capability a new parallel taxiway offset 600 ft. is planned for runway 8-26. The western segment, 3600 ft. in length, should be constructed when the runway end 8 is extended.
https://books.google.de/books?id=j_c0AQAAMAAJ&pg=SL3-PA69&lp...
(Cedar Rapids Municipal Airport ALP: Environmental Impact Statement)
For instance, the runway-taxiway offsetof 275 feet in the extension of Taxiway 'B, ' which will require of modification of standards from FAA, was adopted specifically to reduce impacts to wetlands located east of the taxiway.
https://books.google.de/books?id=Kvc0AQAAMAAJ&pg=SA1-PA17&lp...
(Tweed-New Haven Airport Runway Safety Area and Taxiway Improvements Project)
And so on …
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Bernd Runge
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Works in: English to German, German to English
Related KudoZ points
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153
runway centerline spacing
... als Denkansatz ...
Die Meter müssten natürlich noch umgerechnet werden.
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Note added at 4 Stunden (2020-03-20 14:43:08 GMT)
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Sorry, auf den falschen Zug aufgesprungen!
Wenn ich mir das PDF ansehe, geht es beim Bahnversatz wohl eher um den Versatz der SLBs zueinander in 'Runway direction'. Der Abstand der RWY centerlines ist ja bereits mit 1900 m angegeben. Dann wohl eher etwas wie with southern RWY located 1250 m more to the southwest...
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Note added at 23 Stunden (2020-03-21 10:20:26 GMT)
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Meine Antwort:
staggered (runway) threshold
Die Meter müssten natürlich noch umgerechnet werden.
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Sorry, auf den falschen Zug aufgesprungen!
Wenn ich mir das PDF ansehe, geht es beim Bahnversatz wohl eher um den Versatz der SLBs zueinander in 'Runway direction'. Der Abstand der RWY centerlines ist ja bereits mit 1900 m angegeben. Dann wohl eher etwas wie with southern RWY located 1250 m more to the southwest...
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Note added at 23 Stunden (2020-03-21 10:20:26 GMT)
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Meine Antwort:
staggered (runway) threshold
Peer comment(s):
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Kartik Isaac
: Yes sir!
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Sorry, I was wrong. Now I have corrected my answer to "staggered (runway) threshold".
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Björn Vrooman
: Just staggered (threshold=Schwelle). Ex.: http://stopstanstedexpansion.com/planning_maps.html You need to specify a direction (e.g. west), as SLOPs are perpendicular(!). [Link didn't work]. Cf. LD in FAA document 6750.16E, pp. 15 + 22. It's longitudinal.
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Thank you.
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Schtroumpf
: Mit "staggering", ja.
1 day 4 hrs
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Ramey Rieger (X)
: Professional as ever. Hope you and yours are well, Bernd!//YES we're doing great.
2 days 2 hrs
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Hallo, vielen Dank! Ja, bei uns ist noch alles ok. Bei dir und deinen Lieben hoffentlich auch!!
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1 day 2 hrs
Cillie Swart
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separation
The distance between the two runways.
Peer comment(s):
| disagree |
Kim Metzger
: Chris PR: separation, This is the actual distance between the two runways...
24 mins
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Discussion
http://aixm.aero/sites/aixm.aero/files/imce/AIXM51HTML/AIXM/...
Heck, "Schwellenversatz" [staggered threshold] is even on Wikipedia:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Start-_und_Landebahn#Konfigura...
It has already been mistranslated in the following document on p. 8: https://www.bfu-web.de/EN/Publications/Investigation Report/...
This article is about Heathrow and shows the same kind of layout: "The new runway will be parallel to the existing runways but is staggered so that it lies further west."
https://www.pagerpower.com/news/heathrow-third-runway-safegu...
It's virtually the same in all similar documents:
"The stripes extend sideways to within 10 feet from the edge of the runway or to a distance of 90 feet on either side of a runway centerline, whichever is the smaller lateral distance."
http://wwwsp.dotd.la.gov/Inside_LaDOTD/Divisions/Multimodal/...
I could work with offset. Lateral is just wrong.
Best wishes
If the asker wants to use lateral, that's her choice.
This doesn't mean everyone else who might need to know what this is called has to get blindsided.
Here's a map of the airport:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Karte_Flughafen_Berlin_B...
It's similar to Munich's:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/Karte_vo...
Both have parallel runways. The Bahnversatz in Munich can be found here:
"Zwei parallele, 4000 Meter lange und 60 Meter breite Start- und Landebahnen im Abstand von 2300 Metern, Versatz der beiden Bahnen um 1500 Meter."
https://mucspotter.de/mucnews/daten.html
The Abstand(!) is the runway separation mentioned at stackexchange. And the "lateral distance" described on pp. 15 in the following FAA document is the exact opposite of what is meant in this context: https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Order/FINAL_SIGNED...[1].pdf
The same is true for SLOP (Strategic Lateral Offset Procedure): that's when airplanes fly on a parallel track to the right.
[...]
lateral offset -> check
staggered -> completely MIA -> can anyone imagine why...?
Pleasant weekend!
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