Dec 9, 2019 18:42
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French term

économie patente proportionelle

French to English Other Engineering: Industrial
Hello,

This is a document (a claim) from Nouvelle Calédonie

Analyses de la réclamation
La réclamation, datée du...., se compose de 3 pages:
1 tableau de quelques lignes, faisant apparaître en total le montant de la réclamation:.....
then there is said table:

Perte de CA sur période 12 mois post sinistre
...
Quantité perdues en kg

Coût matière
CA perdu - coût matière, under which, there is "economie frais exportation ...kg and then underneath "economie patente proportionnelle de 2.4% du coût MP.

Could it be "proportional franchise tax"? (found on a WR forum)

If I have understood correctly, this "patente proportionnelle" is specific to New Caledonia, so propapbly doesn't have an english equivalent.

Any help would be great!
Thank you.
Change log

Dec 10, 2019 01:19: Yolanda Broad changed "Term asked" from "economie patente proportionelle " to "économie patente proportionelle "

Discussion

Cyril Tollari Dec 11, 2019:
There is a difference between a business license and a business license fee.

Ouvrir une patente
https://www.unjourencaledonie.com/ouvrir-une-patente-societe...

'Patente' is shorter for 'contribution à la patente' (business licence fee).
https://dsf.gouv.nc/node/771
Daryo Dec 11, 2019:
there is NO "option A" of the kind
Option A:
La patente proportionnelle consiste en un impôt sur les importations.
The variable component of the business license fee [patente] is a taxation on imports.

any mention of any kind of "licence" [= authorisation to operate some specific business] would be here a textbook example of why a literal translation CAN in same cases be completely and irredeemably wrong.

Which part of:

Ainsi la patente n’est pas une autorisation d’exercer mais une taxe due par toute personne physique ou morale qui exerce une activité professionnelle non salariée.

as explained by the taxmen in New Caledonia (supposedly knowing a thing or two about the local tax system?)

would imply that the way "la patente" as used in this ST could mean that it's some kind of "licence"????
Cyril Tollari Dec 11, 2019:
Option A:
La patente proportionnelle consiste en un impôt sur les importations.
The variable component of the business license fee [patente] is a taxation on imports.

Option B:
La patente proportionnelle consiste en un impôt sur les importations.
The taxation on imports [patente proportionnelle] is a taxation on imports.
Daryo Dec 10, 2019:
Just a point of method ... When nowadays you can get hold in seconds (as opposed to DAYS or even longer before the Web) of most original sources / documents, what's the point of looking for second / third / fourth / ... hand sources rehashing / decontextualising the "real thing"??? Ah yes, there is also the small matter of not misinterpreting the sources ...
Cyril Tollari Dec 9, 2019:
Second link is broken on my answer. Pasting the link here doesn't seem to work. It can be found on the internet by using the following keywords:
EY-2018-worldwide-corporate-tax-guide
philgoddard Dec 9, 2019:
The Wordreference post isn't much use because the answer doesn't give any references or explanation, but here it is anyway:
http://forum.wordreference.com/threads/patente-proportionnel...

This says franchise tax:
http://dictionary.reverso.net/french-english/patente

Franchise tax is charged by some US states on companies doing business in their jurisdiction - it's nothing to do with franchises like McDonalds. I'm not sure if it's used in New Caledonia.

Proposed translations

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French term (edited): economie patente proportionelle
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savings on variable business license fee [patente]

économie patente proportionnelle
savings on the variable business license fee [patente]

Business license fee (patente) : This tax, to which all businesses, whether commercial or professional, are subject, is divided into fixed and variable components. The fixed component is calculated by various formulas, the elements of which include the space utilized and the number of employees.
The variable component is 1.2% of the CIF value of imports, surtaxes up to 110% apply
https://www.pwc.com/nc/en/doing-business-in-new-caledonia/co...


Business license fees (fixed and variable); the variable fee corresponds to 1.2% of the Cost, Insurance, Freight [CIF] value of imports of the company
https://www.ey.com/Publication/vwLUAssets/EY-2018-worldwide-...$FILE/EY-2018-worldwide-corporate-tax-guide.pdf


la patente n’est pas une autorisation d’exercer mais une taxe due par toute personne physique ou morale qui exerce une activité professionnelle non salariée.
Elle est calculée annuellement en fonction du type et des caractéristiques de l’activité professionnelle et se compose :
d’un droit fixe qui se décompose en deux parties :
une taxe déterminée établie selon la nature de la profession d’après un tarif,une taxe variable qui tient compte des véhicules utilitaires, engins divers, locaux commerciaux.
d’un droit proportionnel calculé d’après les opérations en douane.

https://dsf.gouv.nc/impots/patente

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Second link is broken, here it is again
https://www.ey.com/Publication/vwLUAssets/EY-2018-worldwide-...$FILE/EY-2018-worldwide-corporate-tax-guide.pdf
Note from asker:
Merci Cyril !
Peer comment(s):

agree philgoddard
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Thank you
agree Michael Confais (X)
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agree Yvonne Gallagher
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disagree Daryo : your own ref says "la patente n’est pas une autorisation d’exercer" so where the "licence" came from ??? // https://www.ey.com/gl/en/services/tax/global-tax-guide-archi... even them are not immune from literal (mis)translation ...
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savings on taxation of imported goods / imports ("patente proportionelle")

économie patente proportionelle = savings made on not having to pay "patente proportionelle"


Patente

L’imposition à la patente est obligatoire pour toute personne physique ou morale qui entreprend en Nouvelle-Calédonie l’exercice d’un commerce, d’une industrie ou d’une profession, pour son propre compte et dans un but lucratif.

Ainsi la patente n’est pas une autorisation d’exercer mais une taxe due par toute personne physique ou morale qui exerce une activité professionnelle non salariée.

...

Elle est calculée annuellement en fonction du type et des caractéristiques de l’activité professionnelle et se compose :

-- d’un droit fixe qui se décompose en deux parties :

-- une taxe déterminée établie selon la nature de la profession d’après un tarif, une taxe variable qui tient compte des véhicules utilitaires, engins divers, locaux commerciaux.

-- d’un droit proportionnel calculé d’après les opérations en douane.

https://dsf.gouv.nc/impots/patente#fd5f6c18-11ae-4e90-abf3-0...


so "patente proportionelle" concerns ONLY "les opérations en douane", IOW in practical effect it's a customs duty, proportional to the volume of importation.

Again, as it's a local term that is more than mildly misleading, I would put a "clear" translation [the WHOLE of "patente proportionelle" is in effect a taxation of imports] and add the original term to avoid errors in back-translating.


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Note added at 1 day 2 hrs (2019-12-10 21:34:20 GMT)
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Strictly speaking "opérations en douane" could be importation or exportation - to be checked with the rest of the ST.

Usually only imports are taxed, exports tend to be subsidised in one form or another.
Note from asker:
Thank you Daryo, yes they're talking about imports.
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