Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
espace juridique
English translation:
legal arena
Added to glossary by
Emily Little
Oct 7, 2019 14:51
4 yrs ago
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French term
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espace juridique
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I am currently translating the summary of a PhD thesis on criminal law and social networks for a client and I'm having trouble finding an accurate translation for this term. I have found various suggestions online but none seem right. At the moment I have 'legal area'?
Context: "Ces sites constituent indéniablement un nouvel espace juridique porteur de comportements cyberdélinquants."
Any ideas would be very welcome!
Thanks in advance
Context: "Ces sites constituent indéniablement un nouvel espace juridique porteur de comportements cyberdélinquants."
Any ideas would be very welcome!
Thanks in advance
Proposed translations
(English)
| 3 +5 | legal arena |
transatgees
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| 4 +1 | legal no man's land |
SafeTex
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| 3 +1 | legal space |
Francesca Rago
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| 4 -1 | legal space |
Eliza Hall
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| 4 -2 | judicial area |
natmire
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| 3 -2 | Legal chat rooms |
Timothy Rake
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| 4 -3 | regulatory area |
Ben Gaia
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Proposed translations
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50 mins
transatgees
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
Specializes in field
United Kingdom
Hands-on experience of commerce
Native in: English
Works in: German to English, French to English, English
Related KudoZ points
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legal arena
This might fit depending on the exact context.
Note from asker:
| Thanks for your suggestion, this is what I went with in the end! |
Peer comment(s):
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AllegroTrans
: this works well to describe websites that offer legal advice albeit there is a negative connotation here
30 mins
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| agree |
Julie Barber
: I like this best. While the entire sentence suggest negativity, the actual phrase is standard and this fits in perfectly
16 hrs
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| agree |
B D Finch
19 hrs
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Yvonne Gallagher
1 day 20 hrs
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Etienne Thems
: This is the best!
2 days 17 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
+1
13 mins
Francesca Rago
Italy
Italy
Italy
literature, web, e-commerce specialist
Native in: Italian (Variants: Standard-Italy, Milanese, Lombard, Tuscan / Toscano, Emiliano-Romagnolo, Neapolitan, Florentine) 
Works in: German to Italian, English to Italian, French to Italian, and 1 more.
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14 mins
Timothy Rake
United States
United States
Native in English
Specializes in field
United States
My business is translating your business
Native in: English 
Works in: French to English, English to French
Related KudoZ points
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52
Legal chat rooms
From the context, it seems to me as if these are on-line “areas” or “sites”? If so I believe “chat rooms” would be appropriate.”Room” is a sensible translation of “espace” in any case.
Peer comment(s):
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Eliza Hall
: This doesn't sound like chat rooms on legal topics. It's a "legal space" in the sense of a (metaphorical) space in which legal issues can arise, crimes can be committed (cybercrimes), etc.
19 mins
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Daryo
: "Ces sites" =Facebook Twitter. Instagram etc // it's about laws that could apply to these sites as a whole, NOT about any specific type of chat-rooms
4 hrs
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1 hr
legal no man's land
An alternative to transatgees' excellent suggestion.
If we use the term "legal" to refer to cyber-criminality, it has to be followed by something that clearly expresses a negative doubt of the legality of whatever happens in this new "area".
If we use the term "legal" to refer to cyber-criminality, it has to be followed by something that clearly expresses a negative doubt of the legality of whatever happens in this new "area".
Peer comment(s):
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Stephanie Benoist
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thanks
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AllegroTrans
: yes, where 'cyberdelinquents' hang out
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thanks AllegroTrans
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B D Finch
: I think this risks over-translation.//That's why I preferred "legal arena", which sounds like conflict happens there.
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okay but if you don't do this and say "legal space" for example, it misses the whole point that this "space" hosts cybercriminality etc.It even makes it sound legal !!!
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Eliza Hall
: At this point you're just making things up. "Espace" does not translate to "no man's land." I understand your view that cybercriminality should be followed by a negative term, but that's a decision for the writer to make -- and the writer chose otherwise.
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judicial area
it is an area where a certain type of case can be discussed
Peer comment(s):
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AllegroTrans
: 'Judicial' in English strongly suggests the Judiciary so this doesn't work given that 'cyberdelinquents' use these sites, not judges!
12 hrs
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Eliza Hall
: AllegroTrans is right: judicial means relating to judges or the judicial system. It's a subset of legal/juridique, too specific and narrow to work here.
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regulatory area
Here's my usual Plain English offering to get away from the ambiguity of the word "legal' in this context and to pin down the deeper meaning.
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Note added at 1 day 4 hrs (2019-10-08 19:12:47 GMT)
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Cambridge Academic Content Dictionary: Regulatory - relating to the activity of checking whether a business is working according to official rules or laws.
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Note added at 1 day 4 hrs (2019-10-08 19:12:47 GMT)
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Cambridge Academic Content Dictionary: Regulatory - relating to the activity of checking whether a business is working according to official rules or laws.
Peer comment(s):
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Daryo
: that's not the meaning - and it wouldn't make sense anyway as there are presently no "regulations" of any kind that would be specific to social networks.
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That is the point: it is a "new area" of regulation.
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AllegroTrans
: There isnothing regulatory about these - 'cyberdelinquents' inhabit then according to the source text
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A new area of law around criminality on social networks would indeed be "regulatory".
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Eliza Hall
: I've seen "espace juridique et réglementaire" translated by "legal and regulatory area," so you're in the right general ballpark, but wrong word.
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Thank you for your comment.
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Eliza Hall
United States
United States
Native in English
Specializes in field
United States
Lawyer-Translator-Certified Interpreter
Native in: English (Variants: British, UK, US, Scottish, Canadian, Irish)
Works in: French to English, English to French
Related KudoZ points
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145
legal space
You have some flexibility here because this isn't a legal term; there's no specialized meaning. The same term has been translated perfectly well in a range of ways depending on the context: legal space, legal framework, jurisdiction, legal area, legal sphere, blablabla.
In this context, I would avoid "legal area" because it is a synonym for "area of law" (i.e. practice area that attorneys can specialize in: intellectual property law; estates & trusts law; mergers & acquisitions; bankruptcy; criminal law; etc.). In your context, it doesn't mean that; it just means a new "space" (metaphorically speaking) in which legal issues can arise, new types of crimes can be committed, etc.
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@ Francesca Rago: Great minds think alike :)
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Note added at 3 days 33 mins (2019-10-10 15:24:55 GMT)
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I don't think anyone else has misunderstood this as SafeTex has, but for the record, juridique means legal -- not as in an activity that is lawful to do ("it's perfectly legal to drink coffee"), but as in a thing that is legal in nature ("the legal system," "a legal issue," "a legal problem," etc.).
As Emily's original text says, social networks are a new legal space/legal arena, because they create opportunities for new types of crimes (and torts, and other legal wrongs) to be committed. It's a simple concept. And it has nothing to do with the lawfulness or unlawfulness of the sites themselves.
In this context, I would avoid "legal area" because it is a synonym for "area of law" (i.e. practice area that attorneys can specialize in: intellectual property law; estates & trusts law; mergers & acquisitions; bankruptcy; criminal law; etc.). In your context, it doesn't mean that; it just means a new "space" (metaphorically speaking) in which legal issues can arise, new types of crimes can be committed, etc.
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@ Francesca Rago: Great minds think alike :)
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Note added at 3 days 33 mins (2019-10-10 15:24:55 GMT)
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I don't think anyone else has misunderstood this as SafeTex has, but for the record, juridique means legal -- not as in an activity that is lawful to do ("it's perfectly legal to drink coffee"), but as in a thing that is legal in nature ("the legal system," "a legal issue," "a legal problem," etc.).
As Emily's original text says, social networks are a new legal space/legal arena, because they create opportunities for new types of crimes (and torts, and other legal wrongs) to be committed. It's a simple concept. And it has nothing to do with the lawfulness or unlawfulness of the sites themselves.
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SafeTex
: You have completely missed the point yet again and given a "legal" status to sites that are used for cybercriminality and are not always legal themselves as AllegroTrans mentioned in the discussion. Complete hogwash!!!
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You did not understand my post. See PS above.
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