Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Spanish term or phrase:
montó un representante a la Cámara de su cuerda (Colombia)
English translation:
managed to get someone who toes her line elected to the Chamber of Representatives // managed to get an ally elected to the Chamber (of Representatives)
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Spanish term
montó un representante a la Cámara de su cuerda (Colombia)
Spanish to English
Social Sciences
Government / Politics
I'm translating a news article about the right-wing leaders who are emerging in Colombia under the new Duque Administration: https://lasillavacia.com/la-nueva-derecha-regional-que-crece...
And I'm stuck on the expression highlighted below:
Paola Holguín
La senadora antioqueña fue la líder de las campañas uribistas en la calle, con vallas de colores de la campaña de Fajardo en Antioquia, Bogotá y el Eje Cafetero.
Además de reelegirse en el Congreso, ***********montó un representante a la Cámara de su cuerda***********, tiene un diputado que quiere ser candidato a la Gobernación y estuvo a punto de ser presidenta del Senado.
Se quedó en la comisión segunda, en la cual puede sacar adelante, con el espaldarazo de Duque, la ley de sometimiento de bandas criminales que lleva adelantando desde el 2016. Con ese poder, más su impronta de uribista 2.0, se empodera con Duque.
Thanks.
And I'm stuck on the expression highlighted below:
Paola Holguín
La senadora antioqueña fue la líder de las campañas uribistas en la calle, con vallas de colores de la campaña de Fajardo en Antioquia, Bogotá y el Eje Cafetero.
Además de reelegirse en el Congreso, ***********montó un representante a la Cámara de su cuerda***********, tiene un diputado que quiere ser candidato a la Gobernación y estuvo a punto de ser presidenta del Senado.
Se quedó en la comisión segunda, en la cual puede sacar adelante, con el espaldarazo de Duque, la ley de sometimiento de bandas criminales que lleva adelantando desde el 2016. Con ese poder, más su impronta de uribista 2.0, se empodera con Duque.
Thanks.
Proposed translations
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managed to get an ally elected to the Chamber
This is my understanding.
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I don't think it's clear that this was an appointment.
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Since it's unclear whether the ally was appointed or elected, here's an alternative:
'managed to see that any ally got a seat in the Chamber'
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I don't think it's clear that this was an appointment.
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Since it's unclear whether the ally was appointed or elected, here's an alternative:
'managed to see that any ally got a seat in the Chamber'
Peer comment(s):
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Stuart and Aida Nelson
: Yes, but elected to the House of Representatives.
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Thank you!
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Charles Davis
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Thank you, Charles. I feel honored!
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Comment: "Thank you ALL so much for the very insightful discussion! In the end, I went with "she managed to get someone who toes her line elected to the Chamber of Representatives" after consulting with other colleagues who work in the same translators' pool with me."
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named an individual to representative him in the assembly,or government
*monto* en terminos colombianos quiere decir que postulo o nombro una persona que la represente en la camara. esto quiere decir que ella como tiene poder politico en colombia cree que puede nombras a todas las personas que estan a su alrededor como colaboradores para tener mas beneficios personales.
Hello, I am a translator here in Colombia. I hope the above explains the translation properly to you
Hello, I am a translator here in Colombia. I hope the above explains the translation properly to you
Peer comment(s):
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AllegroTrans
: appointed a representative more probably
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Muriel Vasconcellos
: He's a "she." Does it say that the person she favored is actually taking over her previous seat? I don't think it's that specific.
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she got somebody in her line into the Chamber
or: House of Representatives (as rightly suggested by Stuart and Aida)
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and "camp" rather than "line" on reflection
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so: she got somebody in her camp into the Chamber/House of Representatives
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and "camp" rather than "line" on reflection
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so: she got somebody in her camp into the Chamber/House of Representatives
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pulled strings to get someone of his ilk elected to Congress
... or, worked behind the scenes to get .....
Reference comments
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Reference:
Cámara de Representantes de Colombia -House of Representatives of Colombia
La Cámara de Representantes es una de las dos cámaras del Congreso de la República de Colombia, hace parte de la rama legislativa. La Cámara es un cuerpo colegiado de representación directa que es elegido por votación popular cada cuatro años.
http://www.camara.gov.co/
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La senadora Paola Holguín del Centro Democrático, en sesión de la Comisión Segunda
http://paolaholguin.com/
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United States House of Representatives
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Represe...
Legislative power is vested in the two chambers of Congress, the Senate and the House of Representatives.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_the_United_States
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Elección de un Representante a la Cámara
La Cámara de Representantes actualmente está compuesta por 166 miembros pero con la eliminación de una de las curules para colombianos en el exterior, a partir del 2018 quedará conformado asíː 165 representantes de los cuales 161 serán elegidos por circunscripción territorial: por departamentos y por el Distrito Capital, y los cuatro restantes a través de circunscripciones especiales: dos para las comunidades afrodescendientes, uno para los indígenas y una para los colombianos residentes en el exterior (antes del 2018 eran dos).
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cámara_de_Representantes_de_Co...
http://www.camara.gov.co/
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La senadora Paola Holguín del Centro Democrático, en sesión de la Comisión Segunda
http://paolaholguin.com/
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United States House of Representatives
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Represe...
Legislative power is vested in the two chambers of Congress, the Senate and the House of Representatives.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_the_United_States
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Note added at 13 hrs (2018-08-18 10:38:08 GMT)
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Elección de un Representante a la Cámara
La Cámara de Representantes actualmente está compuesta por 166 miembros pero con la eliminación de una de las curules para colombianos en el exterior, a partir del 2018 quedará conformado asíː 165 representantes de los cuales 161 serán elegidos por circunscripción territorial: por departamentos y por el Distrito Capital, y los cuatro restantes a través de circunscripciones especiales: dos para las comunidades afrodescendientes, uno para los indígenas y una para los colombianos residentes en el exterior (antes del 2018 eran dos).
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cámara_de_Representantes_de_Co...
Discussion
'managed to get an ally elected to the Chamber of Representatives'
What about finding a solution along these lines:
managed to get an ally elected as a 'representative' to the Chamber of Representatives? The ST says: 'montó un representate'
A cursory search shows that the World Bank, the World Health Organization, the United Nations, the OAS, and numerous country profiles, including the one published by the US Central Intelligence Agency, use 'Chamber of Representatives'. I have worked for all these agencies except the CIA. (I also taught S>E translation for 14 years at Georgetown University.)
It's true that 'House of Representatives' also shows up, but I avoid it for the reason that Charles mentions -- namely confusion with the US House of Representatives, which appears often in worldwide news.
When you look at the detail of Colombia's system, it's not quite as simple as I suggested before. For one thing, the regional factor is potentially important. Politicians tend to have regional/local power bases; they have given favours to locally powerful people, and so on. In Colombia there is a list for each department, and a candidate "sponsored" by a locally influential party boss stands a good chance of success. The open list is a preferential voting system, where voters vote for a party but can express a preference for a particular candidate, which can change the order of candidates in the list. But of course getting on the list in the first place can be due to the influence of a sponsor, and that may be what "montó" refers to.
Montó from montar acc. to RAE: 1. Ponerse o subirse encima de una cosa. 2. Subir en un caballo u otra cabalgadura, etc... 'Montar' is a colloquial term in this context and it is the same with 'cuerda'. Montar does not mean appointment at all but here the term implies that she used her influence to 'get the Representative' elected. However, implying that she appointed him to get on the horse :)
In this particular case I think Colombia's Cámara de Representantes can reasonably be translated as House of Representatives, and there is certainly very widespread agreement on using that translation. I wouldn't give much weight to what the Cámara calls itself in English, but I would give some, for example, to the fact that the Inter-Parliamentary Union uses that translation. On the other hand, custom isn't everything, and I can't see that there would be anything wrong with calling it the Chamber of Representatives. The trouble with "House of Representatives" is that this name comes with baggage attached: it makes you think of the US House of Representatives and suggests that the Colombian one is just the same, which is unlikely to be entirely true.
I agree with this. If the 'Cámara de Representantes de Colombia' uses the official title of 'House of Representatives' why not use it? There is also a 'United States House of Representatives'.
Yes, there are 'Chambers of Congress' in USA but this is not the equivalent to the 'Cámara' in Colombia.
IMO, using 'House of Representatives' helps to convey the irony of the sentence, otherwise the idea of the Representative gets lost in translation.
Not sure I agree with you about 'House of Representatives'; my clients (international organizations) prefer to stay as close as possible to the original rather than try to find an equivalent in a different culture.