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Glossary entry

English term or phrase:

Thread Cutting Machine Screw

French translation:

vis mécanique autotaraudeuse

Added to glossary by Thierry Darlis
May 5, 2018 17:29
6 yrs ago
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English term

Thread Cutting Machine Screw

English to French Other Mechanics / Mech Engineering
I thought about :


Une machine à fileter les vis

Do you have any other suggestion.

Thank you
Proposed translations (French)
4 +2 vis mécanique autotaraudeuse
4 -1 machine à fileter
4 -2 vis autotaraudeuse (à filetage métrique ou éqivalent)
4 -3 filetage de filets par taraud machine
References
Taraud machine

Discussion

Johannes Gleim May 9, 2018:
Continued: Voir aussi :
NF EN ISO 1478 Décembre 1999
Filetage de vis à tôle
https://www.boutique.afnor.org/norme/nf-en-iso-1478/filetage...

BS EN ISO 1478:2000
Tapping screw thread
Title in French Filetage de vis a tole
Title in German Blechschraubengewinde
https://shop.bsigroup.com/ProductDetail?pid=0000000000300061...
Johannes Gleim May 8, 2018:
Dear Tony What non-standard term do you refer to? In my last discussion entry?

In case you refer to "sheet-metal screw" I can inform you that I have taken it from the standard DIN 918 or DIN 1891 [ISO 1891], but I have no problem to use other terms, e.g. "tapping screw threads" (DIN 7970 [ISO 1478])
See items 2.3 & 2.4 https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd...
(Designation system for fasteners, DIN 962, [ISO 7962])
or
https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd...
(Technical Information)
Note: These self-tapping screws are used for fixing sheets and should be distinguished from "Cutting Machine Screws" as asked for by the asker.
Tony M May 8, 2018:
@ Johannes The fact remains that you have added something unnecessary that is not in the source text, which at best amounts to over-interpretation, on the basis of airing your own prior knowledge.
Furthermore, there is already a specific other term for a 'vis autotaraudeuse' that cuts a "standard" thread, so you are introducing non-standard terminology that is not called for in the source text. In fact, I think that is the specific meaning of 'autotaraudeuse', and a different term is used for screw that make a non-standard thread such as you describe sued for sheet-metal; I know there are 2 different terms in FR used to make this distinction that is not normally made in EN.
Johannes Gleim May 8, 2018:
@ Daryo I do wonder about your comments:

why do you need to add what is mentioned nowhere in the ST [nor implied in any way!!!]: "à filetage métrique" ??? Why would imperial units make it impossible to make this kind of screws???

I already answered:
Simple answer:
1) Imperial units are covered by "ou équivalent",
2) to emphasize that this self-tapping screw has a machine screw tread.
Conclusion: Questions solved, grading should be altered

I did not exclude any imperial thread. Contrary to that all machine screws are covered by my proposal. The note (à filetage métrique ou éqivalent) should highlight this fact and distinguish this type of self-tapping tread from any other, like that for sheet-metal screws. This is very easy to understand.
Tony M May 6, 2018:
@ Johannes Oh dear! I fear you have totally misunderstood!!

No-one said anything about BUILDING; I said a bolt for an E-type Jag — a Jaguar car!!! Only that was in fact a different list of parts from a different asker.
Johannes Gleim May 6, 2018:
@ Tony Even the asker refer to machinery rather then to building, I add a definition for jag bolt from Wiktionary:

jag bolt
English
Noun
jag bolt (plural jag bolts)
A bolt with a nicked or barbed shank which resists retraction, as when leaded into stone.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/jag_bolt

This cannot be associated with a "Thread Cutting Machine Screw".
Johannes Gleim May 6, 2018:
@ Thierry Can you please give more context about the machinery and cite the complete phrase as some peers doubt on your statement "Une machine à fileter les vis"?
Tony M May 5, 2018:
@ Asker CONTEXT? and parsing

There is something odd about this term taken in isolation like this, can you please set in in context for us?

As it stands, the EN word order indicates it is a 'thread-cutting' (that hyphen would have helped!) 'machine 'screw' — a 'machine screw is generally a parallel-sided (= cylindrical) screw, often called a bolt (especially in larger sizes) by lay people. I assume they sepcified 'machine screw' because thread-cutting (aka self-tapping) screws are often of the tapered (= conical) variety (more like wood screws etc.)

Otherwise, people may have a tendency to translate this as 'a machine for cutting screw threads' or 'screw thread cutting machine' — which would certainly be more logical, BUT involves assuming a quite major source text error. As well as an unlikely item to have on a car parts list!!!

Proposed translations

+2
3 hrs
Selected

vis mécanique autotaraudeuse

thread-cutting machine screw

a machine screw (vis mécanique) that is thread-cutting (autotaraudeuse)

"machine screw
vis mécanique
http://www.granddictionnaire.com/ficheOqlf.aspx?Id_Fiche=887...

"thread-cutting screw
vis autotaraudeuse
http://www.granddictionnaire.com/ficheOqlf.aspx?Id_Fiche=887...
Peer comment(s):
agree Daryo : http://www.machinedesign.com/fasteners/whats-difference-betw... https://apexfasteners.com/fasteners/threaded-products/screws... // starting by getting the parsing right helps!
3 hrs
thanks!
agree Tony M : Yes, of couse that's it! It's SO important to correctly understand the EN s/t before even attempting to translate.
10 hrs
Thanks !
disagree Johannes Gleim : A self-tapping screw is no macinery as stated in the context. Sorry! // Google found one hit for "vis mécanique autotaraudeuse"
12 hrs
"shell and lug" is not a machine - "sun sheet" is not a machine". Get the context before disagreeing. The context = all previous questions.
agree Anne Bohy
17 hrs
merci!
disagree HERBET Abel : Pourquoi mécanique Pareil : pourquoi mécanique ?
17 hrs
because "machine screw" is "vis mécanique" - http://www.granddictionnaire.com/ficheOqlf.aspx?Id_Fiche=887...
agree Kim Metzger
18 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
-1
1 hr

machine à fileter

Peer comment(s):
disagree Tony M : Except that here, it's not a machine at all: the EN word order gives the clue.
11 hrs
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-3
2 hrs

filetage de filets par taraud machine

However, this large thread cutting head performs extremely well when cutting trapezoid- and round threads or regular threads.
wagner-werkzeug.de

Mais c'est aussi pour exécuter le filetage de filets ronds ou trapézoïdaux que cettegrande tête filière montre sa force hors du commun.
wagner-werkzeug.de
https://www.linguee.com/english-french/search?source=auto&qu...

See also the reference comment.

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Note added at 2 Stunden (2018-05-05 19:43:05 GMT)
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Afin de coincider à la question il fallait d'inverser la suite des mots comme suivant:

taraud machine pour fileter.
Peer comment(s):
disagree Tony M : Except here, it's not a machine at all: the EN word order gives the clue. / Never in EN. You seem to be confusing the word order. Not a question of context, but of basic EN engineering terminology. Asker only says: "I thought about..." a machine.
30 mins
A Machine Screw is a tool, not a screw, given the context.
disagree Daryo : it's only a screw - not a machine .... // you misinterpreted the "machine" part - it's not about "a machine used to make screws" it's about "screws that have been made by a machine" // check https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Machine Screw
4 hrs
A Machine Screw is a tool, not a screw, given the context.
disagree FX Fraipont (X) : a machine screw is screw, not a screw machine.
15 hrs
I agree that a "Thread Cutting Machine Screw" is a self-tapping screw, but the asker states, that the question refers to a machine. As far as we have no other information, we should trust and look for a machine.
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-2
18 hrs

vis autotaraudeuse (à filetage métrique ou éqivalent)

In case Thierrie is wrong with his I statement "Une machine à fileter les vis" we can start from the full term "Thread Cutting Machine Screw"

Thread Cutting Machine Screw
https://quizlet.com/117535234/moms-bolts-flash-cards/
(shows a self-tapping machine-type screw)

Flat Head Thread Cutting Machine Screw (3/8") (4" Length)
https://www.allglassparts.com/flat-head-thread-cutting-machi...
(shows another self-tapping screw type)

What Different Kinds of Screw Types Are There?
There are three main types of screw point types. These are the industrial tapping screws, and then the thread cutting machine screw and thread forming machine screws, which are both types of tapping screws.
http://www.usmicroscrew.com/be-innovative-with-the-help-of-o...

self-tapping screw and method for joining thin workpieces
vis autotaraudeuse et procédé permettant d'assembler de fines pièces à travailler

of a vehicle by means of a self-tapping screw
de véhicule au moyen d'une vis autotaraudeuse

self-tapping screw for use in low ductile materials
vis auto-taraudeuse utilisable avec des matériaux peu ductiles
http://context.reverso.net/übersetzung/englisch-franzosisch/...

Machine screws
ASME standards specify a variety of "Machine Screws"[13] in diameters ranging up to 0.75 in (19.05 mm). These fasteners are often used with nuts but also often driven into tapped holes (without nuts).
:
A machine screw is generally a smaller fastener (less than 1⁄4 inch (6.35 mm) in diameter) threaded the entire length of its shank that usually has a recessed drive type (slotted, Phillips, etc.). Machine screws are also made with socket heads (see above), in which case they may be referred to as socket head machine screws.
:
A self-tapping machine screw is similar to a machine screw except the lower part of the shank is designed to cut threads as the screw is driven into an untapped hole. The advantage of this screw type over a self-drilling screw is that, if the screw is reinstalled, new threads are not cut as the screw is driven.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screw#Machine_screws

Représentation réaliste d'une vis à métaux tête hexagonale
:
Vis à métaux
Les vis à métaux ne peuvent être utilisées sans un écrou ou une pièce taraudée avec le bon filetage. La tige filetée est de forme cylindrique et le filetage est identique du début à la fin de la vis.
:
Vis à tôle et auto-taraudeuse
Il existe deux types de vis auto-taraudeuse : vis à bout pointu (type A), utilisée pour les tôles minces (d'épaisseur inférieure à 5 mm, environ), et vis à bout plat (type B), utilisée pour les tôles (ou supports) plus épais (ép. > 5 mm). Comme son nom l'indique, la vis auto-taraudeuse est destinée à tarauder le trou dans le support qu'elle va assembler. Avant la mise en œuvre, les éléments sont simplement percés et la vis va tarauder l'orifice. Il est donc inutile d'avoir un taraud, ou un écrou, pour ce type de vis: ceci permet un gain de temps lors de la mise en œuvre.
:
Vis auto-perceuse
Il existe aussi des vis auto-perceuses, dont l'extrémité a la fonction d'un foret. Elles permettent de visser directement dans l'acier ou l'aluminium sans avoir à effectuer d'opérations de perçage, ni de taraudage préalable. Ces vis percent jusqu'à 16 mm d'acier. Elles peuvent être en acier, en inox ou bimétal (le corps en inox et l'extrémité en acier) type SX
Les vis autoperceuses sont essentiellement utilisées dans le bâtiment :
• Pour la mise en place de bardages
• Pour la mise en place d'étanchéité sur bac aciers
• Pour la fabrication de fenêtre PVC ou aluminium
et dans le transport pour la fabrication des planchers de camion
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vis_de_fixation

NF P30-312 Juin 2004
Travaux de couverture et de bardage - Détermination de la caractérisation à la flexion - Méthode conventionnelle d'essai de flexion des vis autoperceuses et autotaraudeuses de longueur supérieure ou égale à 70 mm
https://www.boutique.afnor.org/norme/nf-p30-312/travaux-de-c...

DIN 7500-1 Juin 2009
Vis taraudeuses par roulage pour filetages métriques ISO - Partie 1: Spécification techniques pour vis autotaraudeuses par déformation, à filetage métrique cémentées et revenues - Gewindefurchende Schrauben für Metrisches ISO-Gewinde - Teil 1: Technische Lieferbedingungen für einsatzgehärtete und angelassene Schrauben
https://www.boutique.afnor.org/norme/din-7500-1/vis-taraudeu...

Other types of self-tapping screws are translated by "Vis à tôle":

BS ISO 10509:2012
Hexagon flange head tapping screws
Title in French Vis à tôle à tête hexagonale à embase cylindro-tronconique
https://shop.bsigroup.com/ProductDetail?pid=0000000000302396...

BS EN ISO 1481:2011
Slotted pan head tapping screws
Title in French Vis à tôle à tête cylindrique large fendue
https://shop.bsigroup.com/ProductDetail?pid=0000000000302082...

BS EN ISO 7053:2011
Hexagon washer head tapping screws
Title in French Vis à tôle à tête hexagonale à embase plate
https://shop.bsigroup.com/ProductDetail?pid=0000000000302082...

BS EN ISO 3506-4:2009
Mechanical properties of corrosion-resistant stainless steel fasteners. Tapping screws
https://shop.bsigroup.com/ProductDetail?pid=0000000000301867...
NF EN ISO 3506-4 Janvier 2010
Caractéristiques mécaniques des éléments de fixation en acier inoxydable résistant à la corrosion - Partie 4 : vis à tôle
https://www.boutique.afnor.org/norme/nf-en-iso-3506-4/caract...

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Note added at 20 Stunden (2018-05-06 13:54:57 GMT)
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Please compare:

Thread Cutting Machine Screw
https://www.google.de/search?biw=1180&bih=490&tbm=isch&sa=1&...
(different treads and heads)

"vis autotaraudeuse"
https://www.google.de/search?biw=1180&bih=675&tbm=isch&sa=1&...
(similar)
About 83.800 results (0,30 seconds) for "vis autotaraudeuse"
https://www.google.de/search?biw=1180&bih=675&ei=tQfvWv-8AYe...

"vis mécanique autotaraudeuse"
https://www.google.de/search?biw=1180&bih=675&tbm=isch&sa=1&...
(similar)
1 result (0,31 seconds) for "vis mécanique autotaraudeuse"
http://docplayer.fr/15350250-Kit-de-montage-sur-un-mur-sur-u...
Peer comment(s):
neutral Tony M : As F-X already said, but you disageed with! However, as these are all parts for a bike, it's pretty unlikely to be metric in any way, so your addition amounts to over-translation, and almost certainly makes it wrong!
25 mins
Bikes or jag bolts are not mentioned anywhere. "métrique ou équivalent" include imperial threads, too. My proposal results in 83,300 Ghits, while adding "mécanique" reduces the results to 1 only.
disagree FX Fraipont (X) : You give me a disagree, and then post the exact same answer? Come on, ethics please... //That is disingenuous : About "vis mécanique" - 14.200 results (0,40 seconds)
1 hr
No, I did not add "mécanique", what is obviously uncommon (1 hit only). // "vis mécanique" is a different term, not applicable here. "disingenuous" is also inappropriate as containing an offense.
disagree Daryo : why do you need to add what is mentioned nowhere in the ST [nor implied in any way!!!]: "à filetage métrique" ??? Why would imperial units make it impossible to make this kind of screws???
9 hrs
Simple answer: 1) Imperial units are covered by "ou équivalent", 2) to emphasize that this self-tapping screw has a machine screw tread. Conclusion: Questions solved, grading should be altered. Deemed otherwise being unfair.
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Reference comments

1 hr
Reference:

Taraud machine

The "machine screw" may be a "taraud machine" as described below:

Tarauds machine

Taraudage par coupe

Taraudage manuel

Il se fait par vissage forcé d'un taraud dans le trou lisse ; cette méthode est recommandée pour les filets de dimensions standard. Le travail s’exécute traditionnellement à l’étau avec taraud et tourne-à-gauche. L’opération s’effectue avec un jeu de 3 tarauds, il est recommandé de lubrifier avec une goutte d’huile ou un peu de suif et de faire un demi-tour arrière de temps à autre pour casser le copeau.

Taraudage machine

principe du taraudage sur machine spéciale

Le taraud est monté sur une machine (perceuse, fraiseuse, tour, etc.), soit simplement dans la pince ou sur un porte-outil débrayable.par génération avec un outil de forme parcourant une hélice par rapport à l'axe du trou, cet outil étant monté sur un tour ou une fraiseuse.Par usinage sur machine spéciale, le filet étant obtenu par une fraise de profil.

Taraudage par déformation
Le taraudage par déformation est une alternative au taraudage traditionnel par enlèvement de métal. Cette technique permet la réalisation de filets par déformation de la matière sans création de copeau.
https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taraudage
Peer comments on this reference comment:
disagree Tony M : 'Taraud machine' is a misinterpretation of the EN as well as bad FR — it would not normally be referred to in EN as a thread cutting machine. And in any case, this isn't any kind of machine, Asker only speculated that it might be...
38 mins
"taraudage" is the French term for tapping.
disagree Daryo : you misinterpreted "machine" - it's not about "a machine used to make screws" it's about "screws made by a machine"
1 day 1 hr
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