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Spanish term
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estomaguismo
Spanish to English
Art/Literary
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This is a text by an Argentine curator of the 90s criticizing the political art of the 80s:
Cosecha adeptos el estomaguismo. Lo hace entre quienes, zozobras mediante, nostalgían el dogma sólido y apacible de un arte de eficacia; una pintura que, de tan solo verla, nos golpee el estómago. Suelen figurar o evocar estampas sociales y marginales, lo que los induce a ser gestuales y matéricos. Son desprolijos, rebeldes y osan con lo feo. En ellos todo se dirige hacia una forma de alto impacto […].
Is it a neologism related to "stomach" in the sense of low-blow. Perhaps "belly-ism"? "Gut-ism"?
Thanks
Cosecha adeptos el estomaguismo. Lo hace entre quienes, zozobras mediante, nostalgían el dogma sólido y apacible de un arte de eficacia; una pintura que, de tan solo verla, nos golpee el estómago. Suelen figurar o evocar estampas sociales y marginales, lo que los induce a ser gestuales y matéricos. Son desprolijos, rebeldes y osan con lo feo. En ellos todo se dirige hacia una forma de alto impacto […].
Is it a neologism related to "stomach" in the sense of low-blow. Perhaps "belly-ism"? "Gut-ism"?
Thanks
Proposed translations
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| 2 +2 | gutteral/grissly/gut-wrenching art |
Marcelo González
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| 3 +1 | stomachism |
Alex Ossa
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| 4 | shock-horror (art) |
neilmac
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Proposed translations
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Marcelo González
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gutteral/grissly/gut-wrenching art
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Or maybe the word 'visceral' would be useful as well.
https://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/amp/Visceral-art-that-p...
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"Visceral art that pushes out of the comfort zone"
http://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/amp/Visceral-art-that-pu...
Another option would be to create neologism as well with one of these words suggested here and an appropriate suffix, perhaps -ism or -ist.
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Erratum: grisly -- with just one 's' :-)
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Or maybe the word 'visceral' would be useful as well.
https://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/amp/Visceral-art-that-p...
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"Visceral art that pushes out of the comfort zone"
http://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/amp/Visceral-art-that-pu...
Another option would be to create neologism as well with one of these words suggested here and an appropriate suffix, perhaps -ism or -ist.
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Erratum: grisly -- with just one 's' :-)
Peer comment(s):
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neilmac
: I like "visceral" ... I suppose the difference between gut-wrenching and stomach-churning is minimal :-)
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Thanks, Neil. I think 'visceral' may sum it up...with an appropriately goulish or grisly twist :-)
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David Ronder
: 'gutteral is not a word; 'guttural' is, but that describes a harsh, throaty sound, so I don't think suitable here. I like 'gut-wrenching', though./Just seen you've corrected 'grissly' 👍
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I was thinking of a 'guttural reaction' in a more 'pop' usage of the collocation, meaning 'gut reaction,' i.e., visceral reaction, putting prescription aside for a moment in this context of a source text neologism. Thanks, David, for your comments.
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Marie Wilson
: I think gut-wrenching is a good choice. Damien Hirst style.
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Thanks Marie. I think that's probably the best option.
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Robert Carter
: I don't think we should be "malapropping" up the use of "guttural reaction" :-) Grisly and visceral are different concepts (even from each other). Gut-wrenching is a possibility, though, but I'd opt for "stomachism" instead.
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Thanks for your comments.
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stomachism
As neilmac points out, estomaguismo is described within the very text you have posted: una pintura que, de tan solo verla, nos golpee el estómago.
The very same quote that you mention in the OP is mentioned in at least two places:
http://docshare04.docshare.tips/files/23042/230426395.pdf
(p. 35, note 12 and its corresponding place in the text, a translation of parts of that quote )
http://www.thegreatgodpanisdead.com/2011/05/report-from-aust...
Original English-language blog post on the general subject referred to.
It's not particularly common in Spanish in reference to art, it seems, just as it is not in English. In fact, it seems particularly linked to Maier, the author of the manifesto that seems to coin it in Spanish, therefore it might be best not to vary the term from what has already been translated.
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*Gumier Maier
The very same quote that you mention in the OP is mentioned in at least two places:
http://docshare04.docshare.tips/files/23042/230426395.pdf
(p. 35, note 12 and its corresponding place in the text, a translation of parts of that quote )
http://www.thegreatgodpanisdead.com/2011/05/report-from-aust...
Original English-language blog post on the general subject referred to.
It's not particularly common in Spanish in reference to art, it seems, just as it is not in English. In fact, it seems particularly linked to Maier, the author of the manifesto that seems to coin it in Spanish, therefore it might be best not to vary the term from what has already been translated.
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*Gumier Maier
Peer comment(s):
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Robert Carter
: The best solution to my mind. I don't think the meaning is any more apparent in Spanish than it is in English. In this context, "visceral" usually means instinctive as opposed to intellectual.
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Yes, I thought the same, especially re: visceral. Thanks Robert.
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neilmac
: Nothing personal, I just find this word ungainly and usually try to avoid unnecessary "isms". See Marley lyric quote beow :)
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Lol I don't take any comments on here personally; in linguistics in particular each has his/her own style. I do agree it's a horrid term - I wouldn't have used it in Spanish, either. However, since it does exist and there is a precedent in English...
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shock-horror (art)
A current way of expressing something which "de tan solo verla, nos golpee el estómago" could be "shock-horror". As defined in the query text sample, something (in this case, art) which hits you like a blow to the stomach.
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Another option could be "in-your-face" art (there is even an art gallery called In Your Face).
https://vimeo.com/inyourface
https://www.facebook.com/UrbanArtINYOURFACE/
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http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/in-you...
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OPTION Nº 3: "visceral art"
I think it works well in the query sentence, pretty much regardless of how you translate the "Cosecha adeptos..." part.
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NB: I try to avoid "-isms" whenever possible... :)
Cf. "We're sick and tired of your ism schism..."
ARTIST: Bob Marley and the Wailers
TITLE: Get Up, Stand Up
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Perhaps I should explain further: As I see it, Spanish tends to have no qualms about sticking "ismo" onto the end of just about anything. However, I don't think it's always a good idea in English and usually try to avoid doing it if there is a suitable alternative. However, that's just my opinion.
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Note added at 1 hr (2017-10-23 18:13:48 GMT)
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Another option could be "in-your-face" art (there is even an art gallery called In Your Face).
https://vimeo.com/inyourface
https://www.facebook.com/UrbanArtINYOURFACE/
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Note added at 1 hr (2017-10-23 18:14:33 GMT)
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http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/in-you...
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Note added at 1 day2 hrs (2017-10-24 19:12:23 GMT)
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OPTION Nº 3: "visceral art"
I think it works well in the query sentence, pretty much regardless of how you translate the "Cosecha adeptos..." part.
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Note added at 1 day18 hrs (2017-10-25 11:11:54 GMT)
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NB: I try to avoid "-isms" whenever possible... :)
Cf. "We're sick and tired of your ism schism..."
ARTIST: Bob Marley and the Wailers
TITLE: Get Up, Stand Up
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Note added at 1 day18 hrs (2017-10-25 11:13:45 GMT)
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Perhaps I should explain further: As I see it, Spanish tends to have no qualms about sticking "ismo" onto the end of just about anything. However, I don't think it's always a good idea in English and usually try to avoid doing it if there is a suitable alternative. However, that's just my opinion.
Example sentence:
I create shock horror art mostly. I draw and paint sometimes,....
Discussion
What the stomach desires is to eat, nothing else interests it. Anything else is deagreable to it, then trivial, not art. It's a metaphor.