Glossary entry (derived from question below)
English term or phrase:
Open house wine
French translation:
Vin de la maison
Added to glossary by
Valérie KARAM
Apr 30, 2017 12:56
7 yrs ago
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English term
Open house wine
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Cooking / Culinary
Menu
In a menu (Greek restaurant) , I have :
OPEN HOUSE WHITE WINE (Dry wine, Thrapsathiri variety)
OPEN HOUSE RED WINE (Dry wine, Kotsifali, Mandilari varieties)
deux autres lignes du même acabit
Je ne pense pas que la traduction 'portes ouvertes' convienne ici.
Merci et bon dimanche !
OPEN HOUSE WHITE WINE (Dry wine, Thrapsathiri variety)
OPEN HOUSE RED WINE (Dry wine, Kotsifali, Mandilari varieties)
deux autres lignes du même acabit
Je ne pense pas que la traduction 'portes ouvertes' convienne ici.
Merci et bon dimanche !
Proposed translations
(French)
3 | Vin de la maison | Hélène OShea |
5 | vin au verre | mchd |
4 -1 | vin maison | Renate Radziwill-Rall |
3 | vin de table | Tony M |
Proposed translations
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Selected
Vin de la maison
Une alternative entre cuvée du patron et vin à la carafe. Il me semble l'avoir vu sur les menus en France
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Tony M
: Very few relevant Google hits — at least, ones that are not poor translations from EN! / Normally, we just say 'pichet / verre de vin de table' ;-)
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yes I know I think we just say pichet de vin
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Cette formulation apparaît aussi dans le Michelin. Merci à tous!"
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vin maison
sans nom, ni étiquette particulière, servi par verre ot/ou carafe, en principe, ce vin est préparé pour la consommation "de famille" et non pas pour des clients, en principe, je dis !
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Tony M
: This is the biggest 'faux ami' — 'vin maison' is not used in restaurants here in France, it would imply that it was 'home-made wine'. Various other expressions are used, such as 'vin ordinaire / de table' 'cuvée du patron', etc.
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writeaway
: I agree with the term but definitely ganz und gar nicht with your explanation
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vin au verre
http://www.enomatic.fr/le-vin-au-verre/
http://www.francetvinfo.fr/consommation-le-vin-au-verre-une-...
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Vin en pichet, s'il est servi en 0,5 l
Je n'avais pas lu les discussions
Vin en carafe supposerait que le vin a été décanté, ce qui n'est pas certain.
http://www.francetvinfo.fr/consommation-le-vin-au-verre-une-...
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Vin en pichet, s'il est servi en 0,5 l
Je n'avais pas lu les discussions
Vin en carafe supposerait que le vin a été décanté, ce qui n'est pas certain.
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Tony M
: Often yes, but not here... Asker has specifically stated this wine is being sold in quantities of ½ litre (e.g. carafe or pitcher) / Yes, for '...en pichet' (we call it a carafe in EN, not the same as a 'decanter').
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vin de table
This is not standard EN AFAIK, and I certinaly don't think we have the same concept in FR.
I am assuming it means that you may be served from a bottle that is already opened; Asker, in your context, is this being priced per carafe or per glass, for example? In other words, you wan't get your own bottle opened specifically for you (unless, presumably, you actually order it by the bottle — is this one of the options?)
In France, generally, this is what you would normally expect anyway with 'ordinary' wine (vin de table), and I really don't think it is necessary to specify; it is just taken for granted. Very often, of course, this may be BiB wine, for example, i.e. not even available in a bottle to start with.
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In EN, 'house wine' is something of a euphemism for 'any non-specific wine the establishment will sell you cheap' — though that's not to say that some of it isn't perfectly palatable. It's just a way of freeing the restaurant owner from having to stock some specific named wine, and also allows them to offer a cheaper alternative to some of the brnaded wines they might have on their wine list.
Of course 'house' in this sense means 'the establishment' — nothing to do with 'home', where it might of course be confused with 'home-made' etc.!
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There is a world of difference between 'the house wine' (not further specified) which by definition is pretty much sure to be 'vin de table', especially if it is being sold by the carafe / pitcher, and 'a house wine' when it is one of a small number of specific, named wines just chosen by the proprietor as their 'basic' wine.
To Asker: yes, 'vin de table' is also a general category of non-specific wine; but it is also the name given in a restaurant to what would be the 'house wine' in English — the waiter might say "Would you like to see the wine list, Madam?" and she might well reply "No thank you, just bring me a demi of 'vin de table'"
I used to be in charge of the wine cellar in our Logis de France hotel-restaurant here in France.
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If this wine were bottled, and available as a whole bottle OR by carafe OR by the glass, then I think 'Cuvée du patron' could work; at worst, people will smile gently at the pretension of it.
BUT as (from the only context we have) this is ONLY being sold in 0.5 l carafe, pitchers, or whatever, then it is extremely likely that this IS simply some kind of local 'plonk' — note the ref. comment provided by W/A:
"house wine
Wine that is bought in bulk and sold at a special price by a restaurant, bar, hotel, etc."
This often equates to something in a cubi (BiB) etc., very much frowned upon, of course, by wine snobs, and ultimately usually with the status of 'plonk'.
Anyway, 'vin de table' isn't NECESSARILY 'plonk' either — it just means a non-specific, unbranded wine — some of it is surprisingly palatable, it's not all 'Vieux Papes' or 'Viillageois'!
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'pichet de vin de table' = 19,500 Ghits
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'verre de vin de table' = 205,000 Ghits
I am assuming it means that you may be served from a bottle that is already opened; Asker, in your context, is this being priced per carafe or per glass, for example? In other words, you wan't get your own bottle opened specifically for you (unless, presumably, you actually order it by the bottle — is this one of the options?)
In France, generally, this is what you would normally expect anyway with 'ordinary' wine (vin de table), and I really don't think it is necessary to specify; it is just taken for granted. Very often, of course, this may be BiB wine, for example, i.e. not even available in a bottle to start with.
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Note added at 2 heures (2017-04-30 15:01:23 GMT)
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In EN, 'house wine' is something of a euphemism for 'any non-specific wine the establishment will sell you cheap' — though that's not to say that some of it isn't perfectly palatable. It's just a way of freeing the restaurant owner from having to stock some specific named wine, and also allows them to offer a cheaper alternative to some of the brnaded wines they might have on their wine list.
Of course 'house' in this sense means 'the establishment' — nothing to do with 'home', where it might of course be confused with 'home-made' etc.!
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Note added at 4 heures (2017-04-30 17:26:00 GMT)
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There is a world of difference between 'the house wine' (not further specified) which by definition is pretty much sure to be 'vin de table', especially if it is being sold by the carafe / pitcher, and 'a house wine' when it is one of a small number of specific, named wines just chosen by the proprietor as their 'basic' wine.
To Asker: yes, 'vin de table' is also a general category of non-specific wine; but it is also the name given in a restaurant to what would be the 'house wine' in English — the waiter might say "Would you like to see the wine list, Madam?" and she might well reply "No thank you, just bring me a demi of 'vin de table'"
I used to be in charge of the wine cellar in our Logis de France hotel-restaurant here in France.
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If this wine were bottled, and available as a whole bottle OR by carafe OR by the glass, then I think 'Cuvée du patron' could work; at worst, people will smile gently at the pretension of it.
BUT as (from the only context we have) this is ONLY being sold in 0.5 l carafe, pitchers, or whatever, then it is extremely likely that this IS simply some kind of local 'plonk' — note the ref. comment provided by W/A:
"house wine
Wine that is bought in bulk and sold at a special price by a restaurant, bar, hotel, etc."
This often equates to something in a cubi (BiB) etc., very much frowned upon, of course, by wine snobs, and ultimately usually with the status of 'plonk'.
Anyway, 'vin de table' isn't NECESSARILY 'plonk' either — it just means a non-specific, unbranded wine — some of it is surprisingly palatable, it's not all 'Vieux Papes' or 'Viillageois'!
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Note added at 1 jour3 heures (2017-05-01 16:20:16 GMT)
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'pichet de vin de table' = 19,500 Ghits
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Note added at 1 jour3 heures (2017-05-01 16:21:06 GMT)
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'verre de vin de table' = 205,000 Ghits
Peer comment(s):
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writeaway
: I think vin de table is off the mark. It could be a better grade wine than that. /if you suggested cuvée de patron somewhere, that would be more like it. definitely not simply table wine (which is often plonk or close to it)
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Not really, if it's being sold in ½ litre carafes. / This almost certainly IS Cretan plonk; as M-C says, if it's 'au pichet', what else is it going to be?
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Reference comments
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Reference:
fwiw, hth
Definition: House Wine. A wine featured by a restaurant and often served in a carafe or by the glass. Sometimes a winery does a special bottling and labels the wines for a restaurant.
house wine
a wine sold unnamed by a restaurant, at a lower price than wines specified on the wine list
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/hous...
house wine
NOUN
mass noun
Wine that is bought in bulk and sold at a special price by a restaurant, bar, hotel, etc.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/house_wine
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Vin Maison
French name for the house wine in a restaurant or bistro, which is served open (s pichet). Mostly it is a good local wine or wine-AC.
http://www.encyclo.co.uk/meaning-of-Vin Maison
house wine
a wine sold unnamed by a restaurant, at a lower price than wines specified on the wine list
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/hous...
house wine
NOUN
mass noun
Wine that is bought in bulk and sold at a special price by a restaurant, bar, hotel, etc.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/house_wine
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Vin Maison
French name for the house wine in a restaurant or bistro, which is served open (s pichet). Mostly it is a good local wine or wine-AC.
http://www.encyclo.co.uk/meaning-of-Vin Maison
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mchd
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Tony M
: Funny your ref. takes you to a GERMAN site! / No, that last one encyclo.co.uk — takes you to: https://glossary.wein-plus.eu/vin-maison / It's the other way round: the EN is a translation from the DE.
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which one -the Oxford dictionary? /it just repeats in German exactly what it says in English. /it's correct in any language......
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Rachel Fell
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Reference:
re house wine (ref. in English)
This is the sort of wine I presume they mean, and by "open". probably straight from the barrel, as mentioned below.
A bit late in the day we have discovered the white house wine in restaurants which is cheap and usually comes in a litre carafe pleasantly acceptable.
Can you comment on the local house wines in restuarants? Be it red or white, out of a barrel or in a litre carafe or whatever? Is it cheap, is it drinkable?
We've certainly never had a rough house wine wherever we've been in Greece. We aren't white drinkers so can only talk about the reds but all we've ever had have been decent. The bulk stuff they serve in tatty old tin pots tends to be the real local stuff and we've paid as little as 4 euros for a litre and it was still quite drinkable.
https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowTopic-g189413-i424-k122666...
Most Cretan wine is homemade and rarely bottled, and almost every restaurant we have visited has some excellent wine straight from the barrel. Usually locally produced, probably by the restaurant owner, the wines have been a real delight. You can ask for red, white, and sometimes rosé, but don't always expect the colour to meet your expectations.
Often, a restaurant will have a list of bottled imported wines, but we seldom bother with these, generally more expensive wines, because the barrel wine is so good.
We're not wine experts by any means, but we have tasted expensive wines from famous wine regions of the world, and we are happy to go with the taste and what we like. And that's usually the barrel wine! Cheap wine in Crete doesn’t mean "bad"!
http://www.completely-crete.com/cretan-food.html
A bit late in the day we have discovered the white house wine in restaurants which is cheap and usually comes in a litre carafe pleasantly acceptable.
Can you comment on the local house wines in restuarants? Be it red or white, out of a barrel or in a litre carafe or whatever? Is it cheap, is it drinkable?
We've certainly never had a rough house wine wherever we've been in Greece. We aren't white drinkers so can only talk about the reds but all we've ever had have been decent. The bulk stuff they serve in tatty old tin pots tends to be the real local stuff and we've paid as little as 4 euros for a litre and it was still quite drinkable.
https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowTopic-g189413-i424-k122666...
Most Cretan wine is homemade and rarely bottled, and almost every restaurant we have visited has some excellent wine straight from the barrel. Usually locally produced, probably by the restaurant owner, the wines have been a real delight. You can ask for red, white, and sometimes rosé, but don't always expect the colour to meet your expectations.
Often, a restaurant will have a list of bottled imported wines, but we seldom bother with these, generally more expensive wines, because the barrel wine is so good.
We're not wine experts by any means, but we have tasted expensive wines from famous wine regions of the world, and we are happy to go with the taste and what we like. And that's usually the barrel wine! Cheap wine in Crete doesn’t mean "bad"!
http://www.completely-crete.com/cretan-food.html
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Tony M
: Exactly what I've been saying all along! Plonk... but nice plonk! With the added bonus of possibly sometimes EVEN being home-made ;-)
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Discussion
I'm not an expert in wine but I rather see "vin de table" as a category of wine, like of standard quality, and not only in restaurants, but also in shops, where it is sometimes mentioned on the bottle's label.
Personally, I have never ever encountered 'vin de la maison' in a French restaurant — though of course my knowledge of French restaurants is by no means exhaustive (sadly!)
'Cuvée du patron' is a euphemistic term sometimes used — in fact, some wine producers even print it on their bottle labels. However, I would shy away from using it in your particular situation, where it seems to me a much more neutral, general term is called for.
If your quantities are always 0.5 litre, then that confirms everything I've been saying: this is almost certainly wine served in standard ½-litre carafes (or pitchers, etc.), hence NOT by the bottle, and hence why they presumably felt the need to explain it in this rather curious way by saying 'open'.
Thanks Tony, I thought about the option of wine served by the glass or carafe, but they specify 0.5 L for each type of wine. Mais après tout, l'un n'empêche pas l'autre.
Merci Renate, cela pourrait être vin de la maison, cuvée du patron ou ce genre de chose ?
Oh, and by the way, this wasn't written by a native English speaker. A bit earlier in the doc I had "coffee with blisters" to describe Greek coffee wih the typical foam on top :-D