Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Spanish term or phrase:
nos incluimos (in this context)
English translation:
get inside
Added to glossary by
Eileen Brophy
Mar 23, 2017 22:18
7 yrs ago
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nos incluimos (in this context)
Spanish to English
Marketing
Marketing / Market Research
Market Research project
Does this mean that, within the research, they include themselves
as part of the families being studied or does it have a different meaning, that escapes my understanding?
It seems rather strange for a research company to include themselves in a project!!
Thank you.....
This is the context:
Con las Etnográficas nos incluimos en su contexto natural, en su familia, en su vida.
Capturamos el lenguaje, el discurso, las expectativas, deseos, frustraciones…y también los lugares, los rincones,
espacios dónde se dan esas vivencias familiares
as part of the families being studied or does it have a different meaning, that escapes my understanding?
It seems rather strange for a research company to include themselves in a project!!
Thank you.....
This is the context:
Con las Etnográficas nos incluimos en su contexto natural, en su familia, en su vida.
Capturamos el lenguaje, el discurso, las expectativas, deseos, frustraciones…y también los lugares, los rincones,
espacios dónde se dan esas vivencias familiares
Proposed translations
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References
| Entrevistas etnográficas |
Beatriz Ramírez de Haro
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Proposed translations
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get inside
(Explanation: I thought of this earlier but didn't have time to post it, and meanwhile Ana posted a similar idea which I thought was good so I was going to leave it. But she's suggested I post it, and I suppose it's useful to have a range of options to choose from.)
I entirely agree with Bea and Ana about the meaning. This is how I would express it, and it's used in the literature on ethnographic research. Since it's a bit informal in register, it's sometimes put in inverted commas in academic texts, but in your context I don't think that's probably necessary.
"As Hammersley states, “The task [of ethnographers] is to document the culture, the perspectives and practices, of the people in these settings. The aim is to ‘get inside’ the way each group of people sees the world."
Scott Reeves, Ayelet Kuper, Brian David Hodges, "Qualitative research methodologies: ethnography"
http://www.allgemeinmedizin.uni-jena.de/content/education/eq...
"one of its central research goals: to "get inside" the world of program participants and to understand, describe, and explain the program and its effects from participants' points of view"
Donald W. Dorr-Bremme, "Ethnographic Evaluation: A Theory and Method"
http://www.jstor.org/stable/1164004?seq=1#page_scan_tab_cont...
"If we want to find out what people know, we must get inside their heads. Although difficult, “this should not be an impossible feat""
James P. Spradley, The Ethnographic Interview, 8
https://books.google.es/books?id=KZ3lCwAAQBAJ&pg=PA8&lpg=PA8...
"In order to understand the social world we need to get inside the heads of the individuals or groups we study"
Karen O'Reilly, Ethnographic Methods, 53
https://books.google.es/books?id=ncCLAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA53&lpg=PA...
I entirely agree with Bea and Ana about the meaning. This is how I would express it, and it's used in the literature on ethnographic research. Since it's a bit informal in register, it's sometimes put in inverted commas in academic texts, but in your context I don't think that's probably necessary.
"As Hammersley states, “The task [of ethnographers] is to document the culture, the perspectives and practices, of the people in these settings. The aim is to ‘get inside’ the way each group of people sees the world."
Scott Reeves, Ayelet Kuper, Brian David Hodges, "Qualitative research methodologies: ethnography"
http://www.allgemeinmedizin.uni-jena.de/content/education/eq...
"one of its central research goals: to "get inside" the world of program participants and to understand, describe, and explain the program and its effects from participants' points of view"
Donald W. Dorr-Bremme, "Ethnographic Evaluation: A Theory and Method"
http://www.jstor.org/stable/1164004?seq=1#page_scan_tab_cont...
"If we want to find out what people know, we must get inside their heads. Although difficult, “this should not be an impossible feat""
James P. Spradley, The Ethnographic Interview, 8
https://books.google.es/books?id=KZ3lCwAAQBAJ&pg=PA8&lpg=PA8...
"In order to understand the social world we need to get inside the heads of the individuals or groups we study"
Karen O'Reilly, Ethnographic Methods, 53
https://books.google.es/books?id=ncCLAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA53&lpg=PA...
Peer comment(s):
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Beatriz Ramírez de Haro
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Gracias y saludos, Bea :)
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lorenab23
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Many thanks, Lorena. Saludos :)
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Ana Vozone
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Thanks a lot, Ana! Very generous of you :)
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks very much for your help Charles. "
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Toni Castano
Spain
Spain
Native in Spanish
Works in field
Spain
PER ASPERA AD ASTRA
Native in: Spanish
Works in: German to Spanish, Spanish to German, English to Spanish, and 5 more.
we get involved/we take part in
No, I do not think it means what you think, but rather that the researchers get involved/take part actively in all those items mentioned.
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Yes, Eileen, I think this could be one possible option (among others).
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Yes, Eileen, I think this could be one possible option (among others).
Note from asker:
| So, Toni, I could translate is as "we actively take part in..." ? |
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included
With ethnograhics,we are included(we are part of it) in its natural context,in its family and in its life.
This is certainly a branch of anthropplogy dealing with the scientific description of individual culture and way of life.
This is certainly a branch of anthropplogy dealing with the scientific description of individual culture and way of life.
1 hr
Robert Forstag
United States
United States
Native in English
Specializes in field
United States
Translating words, preserving meaning
Native in: English
Works in: Spanish to English, English
Related KudoZ points
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220
Spanish term (edited):
nos incluimos en su contexto natural
we act as participant-observers in their natural environment
"Participant-observation" is a common research method and concept in the social sciences, and it sounds like this is what is being referred to here.
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Ana Vozone
Specializes in field
Will do!
Native in: Portuguese (Variant: European/Portugal) 
Works in: English to Portuguese, French to Portuguese, German to Portuguese, and 1 more.
Related KudoZ points
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24
we immerse ourselves
Another suggestion.
Peer comment(s):
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neilmac
: I like this best so far :)
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Thank you, Neil!
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Ana Mongelos García
: I think this is what it really means. Not that the researchers take part as subjects of their own research; they are trying to explain where their research takes place: in the context of family daily life. The sentence tries to involve the reader, I think
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Thank you, Ana!
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Charles Davis
: Or "get inside", which is how it's often expressed in ethnographic research.
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Thank you, Charles, I really like your suggestion. If you post it, I'll "like" it!
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we penetrate
Used in this context and needs no inverted commas.
Researching marginalised young people: Ethnography and Education ...
www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17457823.2013.766433?s...
Feb 20, 2013 - Ethnographers penetrate people's lives, and consequently the specifics involving the participants need contemplation. Their individual ...
Penetrating social worlds: conducting ethnographic research ... - NCBI
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16840086
by D Moore - 1992 - Cited by 18 - Related articles
Drug Alcohol Rev. 1992;11(3):313-23. Penetrating social worlds: conducting ethnographic research into alcohol and other drug use within Australia. Moore D(1).
Maltreatment of Patients in Nursing Homes: There Is No Safe Place
https://books.google.com.ar/books?isbn=1136419675
Diana Harris, Harold G Koenig - 2012 - Social Science
Skilled ethnographers can penetrate the inner workings of an organization and uncover much that may not be readily apparent to casual observers. The second ..
Researching marginalised young people: Ethnography and Education ...
www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17457823.2013.766433?s...
Feb 20, 2013 - Ethnographers penetrate people's lives, and consequently the specifics involving the participants need contemplation. Their individual ...
Penetrating social worlds: conducting ethnographic research ... - NCBI
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16840086
by D Moore - 1992 - Cited by 18 - Related articles
Drug Alcohol Rev. 1992;11(3):313-23. Penetrating social worlds: conducting ethnographic research into alcohol and other drug use within Australia. Moore D(1).
Maltreatment of Patients in Nursing Homes: There Is No Safe Place
https://books.google.com.ar/books?isbn=1136419675
Diana Harris, Harold G Koenig - 2012 - Social Science
Skilled ethnographers can penetrate the inner workings of an organization and uncover much that may not be readily apparent to casual observers. The second ..
Reference comments
35 mins
Beatriz Ramírez de Haro
Spain
Spain
Native in Spanish
Specializes in field
Spain
Golf, Literature and Religion Specialist
Native in: Spanish
Works in: English to Spanish, French to Spanish, Spanish
Reference:
Entrevistas etnográficas
Creo "las etnográficas" se refiere a este tipo de entrevistas:
https://jbiencinto.wordpress.com/2015/08/30/entrevistas-etno...
el autor defiende que las técnicas cualitativas “clásicas” (los grupos de discusión, las entrevistas en profundidad…) son insuficientes cuando el reto es la innovación y propone utilizar “nuevas” técnicas; en particular, las entrevistas etnográficas porque entiende que permiten llegar a dimensiones clave en el conocimiento de los usuarios: sus actitudes, las actividades que practica, sus necesidades, sus motivaciones…
Curiosamente, desde hace un tiempo, los datos del sector (y la demanda que me llega a mí) indican que las etnográficas gozan de un creciente atractivo por parte de quienes contratan investigación.
En cualquier caso, "nos incluimos" debe interpretarse como "nos introducimos".
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Hi Eileen, "enter" is perfect.
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Los investigadores no se convierten en parte de la familia sino que observan a la familia desde dentro.
https://jbiencinto.wordpress.com/2015/08/30/entrevistas-etno...
el autor defiende que las técnicas cualitativas “clásicas” (los grupos de discusión, las entrevistas en profundidad…) son insuficientes cuando el reto es la innovación y propone utilizar “nuevas” técnicas; en particular, las entrevistas etnográficas porque entiende que permiten llegar a dimensiones clave en el conocimiento de los usuarios: sus actitudes, las actividades que practica, sus necesidades, sus motivaciones…
Curiosamente, desde hace un tiempo, los datos del sector (y la demanda que me llega a mí) indican que las etnográficas gozan de un creciente atractivo por parte de quienes contratan investigación.
En cualquier caso, "nos incluimos" debe interpretarse como "nos introducimos".
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Note added at 58 mins (2017-03-23 23:17:30 GMT)
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Hi Eileen, "enter" is perfect.
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Note added at 1 hr (2017-03-23 23:30:29 GMT)
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Los investigadores no se convierten en parte de la familia sino que observan a la familia desde dentro.
Note from asker:
| "We enter" would be a good option then Beatriz? |
| Or "we become part of?" |
Peer comments on this reference comment:
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María Eugenia Wachtendorff
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Saludos María Eugenia - Bea
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Robert Carter
: Ah, so it's "entrevistas etnográficas". "Enter into" is how I see it too, you should post it as an answer, Bea.
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Saludos Robert - Bea
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Sergio Kot
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Saludos Sergio - Bea
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neilmac
: Hence, Ana V's suggestion (we immerse ourselves) fits best IMHO.
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Saludos neilmac - Bea
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Charles Davis
: This is the meaning. My choice would be "get inside".
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Me parece muy bien. Saludos Charles - Bea
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Discussion
Con las Etnográficas nos incluimos en su contexto natural, en su familia, en su vida.
Capturamos el lenguaje, el discurso, las expectativas, deseos, frustraciones…y también los lugares, los rincones, espacios dónde se dan esas vivencias familiares
Para adentrarnos en el ecosistema familiar, debemos contar con la perspectiva y la visión de todos los miembros de la familia
Fase 1 de la Etnográfica: breves entrevistas individuales a cada uno de los miembros de la familia