Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
ne peut pas aller contre
English translation:
a fact which one can't contradict/cannot be disputed
French term
ne peut pas aller contre
CONTEXT: NEW PARAGRAPH: On peut faire le même raisonnement pour les tombes royales de Beît Khallaf qui sont dans le même cas. Cependant, en admettant son existence dès cette époque [Third Dynasty], ce qui n'a rien que de vraisemblable, on ne saurait remonter beaucoup au delà. ***Un fait contre lequel on ne peut pas aller***, c'est que le miroir ne fait pas partie de ce vieux répertoire de signes hiéroglyphiques qui forme comme l'ancien fonds de l'écriture égyptienne. Il n'apparaît pas dans les inscriptions de l'Ancien Empire, et, aux époques où il existe comme signe, il est sans valeur phonétique.
ATTEMPT: ***A fact which cannot be disputed*** is that the mirror is not part of this old repertoire of hieroglyphic signs which constitutes the early basis for Egyptian writing.
QUERY: Is my translation true to the French? Is "countered" any better, or am I missing something?
Thank you in advance!
| 3 +3 | a fact which one can't contradict/cannot be disputed |
Barbara Cochran, MFA
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| 4 +1 | a fact that we can't go against / we can't ignore / we can't brush aside |
Daryo
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Proposed translations
United States
Laudable Lady Linguist
Native in: English 
Works in: Spanish to English, French to English, English to Spanish, and 3 more.
a fact which one can't contradict/cannot be disputed
a fact that we can't go against / we can't ignore / we can't brush aside
In fact, the quite literal translation "a fact that we can't go against" works fine!
Your husband? " " I suppose he is mine although I stole him," Lucille continued lightly, unfastening her furs. "We can't go against facts, can we? On paper I won;..
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Chakib Roula
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Merci!
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Anne Bohy
: les deux dernières formulations ne rendent absolument pas le sens. "Aller contre", c'est d'opposer, pas ignorer ou écarter.
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dans ce cas concret "aller contre" des faits considérés comme indéniables revient en pratique à les ignorer or les mettre de côté
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writeaway
: agree with bohy. was about to post the same thing (mais en anglais). /no they are not the general idea. that's the point. English isn't a complete free-for-all
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I was under the impression that what is relevant is how a term is used in a specific ST, not some general purpose / undefined context meaning ... HERE that's what is meant the last 2 versions are not so close to the ST but that's the general idea!
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