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Jan 2, 2004 04:49
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Spanish term
150 cántaros de cubamento
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wine-making - archaic terminology
Oh dear, made up **and** archaic - the only references on the whole internet to 'cubamento' are this exact same text, and something written in a planned language. DRAE does not have it either, so a bit more creativity than I can muster at this hour of night is required... Probably from 'cuba' - barrel, but 150 jars of barrels??? Would simply saying 'capacity' be taking the easy way out??
La primera referencia de la familia Chivite dedicada al mundo del vino se remonta a 1647. Así lo atestigua un documento notarial, fechado ese año, en el que Juan Chivite Frias y su cuñada piden un préstamo de 100 ducados con los avales de una viña y una bodega con capacidad de "hasta 150 cántaros de cubamento..."
La primera referencia de la familia Chivite dedicada al mundo del vino se remonta a 1647. Así lo atestigua un documento notarial, fechado ese año, en el que Juan Chivite Frias y su cuñada piden un préstamo de 100 ducados con los avales de una viña y una bodega con capacidad de "hasta 150 cántaros de cubamento..."
Proposed translations
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| 3 | A way to go |
Parrot
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| 3 +1 | a capacity of up to 150 jugs |
Katerina Kallitsi
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| 4 | up to 600 gallon[s of] capacity |
Amilcar
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| 3 | Barrel |
Carlos Diaz de Leon
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| 3 | Cubic contents |
Alex Zelkind (X)
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Spanish term (edited):
150 c�ntaros de cubamento
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A way to go
Here's a web where the litre equivalents of the cántaro (and the cántara) are given by province. Checked that you need the measurements for Navarra, but you may have to consult elsewhere (would your client know which cántaro was used?) As for "cubamento", I suspect this is vatting capacity, storage in vats.
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Note added at 6 hrs 50 mins (2004-01-02 11:39:54 GMT)
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More literature on the measurements of Chivite\'s barrels:
http://www.filewine.es/chivite/bjcnavb.htm
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Note added at 6 hrs 50 mins (2004-01-02 11:39:54 GMT)
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More literature on the measurements of Chivite\'s barrels:
http://www.filewine.es/chivite/bjcnavb.htm
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Comment: "thanks - took the easy way out. Cantaro in Spanish, with a footnote explaining that it is an archaic measurement, approx 17 litres. It doesn't seem an awful lot, but there it is. Without travelling back to the 17th century, it is almost impossible to be certain."
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I know it isn't much help, but I would consider the possibility that "cubamento" is an adjective, and not a noun, since it is not plural, as is "cántaros" (i.e., it doesn't read "cántaros de cubamentos").
So, perhaps it is a particular type (or size) of barrel?
Additionally, "cántaro" does not refer to a traditional jar. It is a clay container, equivalent to 10.77 liters. Perhaps a "cántaro de cubamento" is larger? It would not make sense to have a cellar with a 150-jar capacity (rather small). Check both links below, they might prove helpful.
So, perhaps it is a particular type (or size) of barrel?
Additionally, "cántaro" does not refer to a traditional jar. It is a clay container, equivalent to 10.77 liters. Perhaps a "cántaro de cubamento" is larger? It would not make sense to have a cellar with a 150-jar capacity (rather small). Check both links below, they might prove helpful.
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Cubic contents
Maybe "Volume"
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Spanish term (edited):
150 cαntaros de cubamento
a capacity of up to 150 jugs
Cántaro = 1) Vasija grande de barro o metal, angosta de boca, ancha por la barriga y estrecha por el pie y por lo común con una o dos asas.
2) Todo el líquido que cabe en un cántaro.
3) Medida de vino, de diferente cabida según las varias regiones de España.
I think "cubamento" is the word which the old notarial document uses to describe capacity.
2) Todo el líquido que cabe en un cántaro.
3) Medida de vino, de diferente cabida según las varias regiones de España.
I think "cubamento" is the word which the old notarial document uses to describe capacity.
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up to 600 gallon[s of] capacity
or
up to 20 barrel[s of] capacity.
These are your "authentic" choices. You will be off on the capacity by some 0-10% either way, depending on the size of those cántaros, and whether you use the 600 gallons or the 20 barrels; but I assume this is literature, and you could care less what the actual exact numbers might be.
For information: the English wine barrel has been pretty steady at about 120 liters (31.5 wine gallons) through the centuries.
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Note added at 2004-01-02 20:57:50 (GMT)
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A little more precision:
20 English wine barrels are about 2400 liters
600 English wine gallons are about 2286 liters
150 cántaros or cántaras are about 1650
.....................................................to 2400 liters
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Note added at 2004-01-02 20:59:24 (GMT)
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Well, you could be overstating by as much as 50%; but, who cares?
up to 20 barrel[s of] capacity.
These are your "authentic" choices. You will be off on the capacity by some 0-10% either way, depending on the size of those cántaros, and whether you use the 600 gallons or the 20 barrels; but I assume this is literature, and you could care less what the actual exact numbers might be.
For information: the English wine barrel has been pretty steady at about 120 liters (31.5 wine gallons) through the centuries.
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Note added at 2004-01-02 20:57:50 (GMT)
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A little more precision:
20 English wine barrels are about 2400 liters
600 English wine gallons are about 2286 liters
150 cántaros or cántaras are about 1650
.....................................................to 2400 liters
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Note added at 2004-01-02 20:59:24 (GMT)
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Well, you could be overstating by as much as 50%; but, who cares?
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