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Aug 28, 2015 14:49
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Spanish term

Gremialismo

Spanish to English Science Science (general)
Hi,

I understand what this word means, but I can't put my finger on how to express it in English. The idea is that when trying to get an article published some research groups support others because they believe the same things/are friendly with one another, yet they can tear down other groups, giving poor reviews and recommendations not to publish because they disagree wit hthe point of view/are not on good terms with that group.

The nearest I've come is "clique", but I'm not sure that it can be applied in this context.

FYI the full phrase (is very short):

Lo peor es el gremialismo que a veces encuentras en la investigación.

Thx.

C.
Proposed translations (English)
4 +5 old boy network
4 +1 coterie
4 cronyism
4 esprit de corps

Discussion

Reed James Aug 30, 2015:
old boys Could old boy be UK? I only know of "good old boys"
Helena Chavarria Aug 30, 2015:
@Chris When I saw your question I immediately looked to see if there was a literal translation, which is when I discovered the concept of 'Gremialismo' in Chile. Up until then I had known nothing about what it means there.

I don't doubt for a moment that you know what a normal gremio is! I only mentioned Chilean 'Gremialismo' in case your text was from Chile and there was more behind the word than you had realised.
Chris Ellison (asker) Aug 30, 2015:
@Matt Can you put your answer as a response because although I like John's old boy network, I think cronyism is actually spot on in this case. :o)

CHeers,

CHris.
Chris Ellison (asker) Aug 30, 2015:
@Helena Yes, I did know, thanks. I live in Barcelona where the "Gremis" are still very important - even my "parking" is part of the "Gremis de Parkings"!! :o)
Helena Chavarria Aug 28, 2015:
@Neil I thought Chris E might not know the term existed and it occurred to me that the text could be from Chile.

In Chile, gremialismo was the main doctrine of the liberal-conservative movement that emerged in the second half of the 1960s and led the opposition to the University Reform in the Catholic University of Chile. Thus, it opposed the Chilean left and centre. The principal ideologist of gremialism was the lawyer and professor (later an advisor of Pinochet) Jaime Guzmán Errázuriz.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gremialismo
matt robinson Aug 28, 2015:
Perhaps cronyism fits the bill.
neilmac Aug 28, 2015:
@Helena On this occasion, or indeed any other, despite being technically correct, I'd still be reluctant to use"guildism", which seems a rather odd term compared to John's suggestion, which I think perfectly sums up the situation described.
Helena Chavarria Aug 28, 2015:
Gremio > guild Guildism

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=5q_5CQAAQBAJ&pg=PT235&lp...

Proposed translations

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old boy network

I worked in agricultural research in the university system for years and "the old boy network" is what we called the very type of mess you are describing.
Peer comment(s):
agree neilmac : Great solution, old boy ;)
12 mins
agree franglish : with Neil, though in the sentence given I'd use "old boy networking".
52 mins
neutral Francois Boye : GREMIO y GREMIALISMO son dos palabras distintas. El segundo concepto expresa la lealtad de los miembros de un gremio unos a otros
3 hrs
agree Elizabeth Joy Pitt de Morales : Nice.
3 hrs
agree Muriel Vasconcellos
8 hrs
agree Anton1975 (X)
2 days 16 hrs
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+1
50 mins

coterie

dictionary.reference.com/browse/coterie
Dictionary.com
coterie. /ˈkəʊtərɪ/ noun. a small exclusive group of friends or people with common interests; clique.
Coterie | Definition of coterie by Merriam-Webster
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coterie
Merriam‑Webster
a small group of people who are interested in the same thing and who usually do not allow other people to join the group.
Peer comment(s):
neutral Francois Boye : GREMIO y GREMIALISMO son dos palabras distintas. El segundo concepto expresa la lealtad de los miembros de un gremio unos a otros
2 hrs
right! should be 'coterie of interests'
agree Reed James
1 day 23 hrs
thanks, Reed
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1 day 16 hrs

cronyism

A possibility; requested as response (see discussion)
Peer comment(s):
neutral Francois Boye : Isn't it cronyism usually associated with government contracts and jobs?t
7 hrs
As I understand the term Cronyism, there is no implication that money is involved.
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1 hr

esprit de corps

people are loyal to one another because they belong to the same corps (body in French, in the literal and figurative sense)

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Note added at 21 hrs (2015-08-29 12:27:21 GMT)
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The corps in question is the 'gremio'

The spirit of loyalty among the gremio's members is the esprit de corps

The person complaining about 'gremialismo' is not a member of the 'gremio' whose members help one another to advance their carriers in research



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Note added at 23 hrs (2015-08-29 14:09:55 GMT)
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'Gremialismo' is a political philosophy that tried to recreate gremios (guilds) in Spanish speaking Catholic countries with a view to filling the gap between the State and citizens. This philosophy is inspired by the Catholic Church's social doctrine.

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Note added at 1 day23 mins (2015-08-29 15:13:25 GMT)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gremialismo

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Note added at 1 day7 hrs (2015-08-29 22:29:00 GMT)
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The last two notes refer to the original meaning of 'gremialismo'

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Response to Asker:

The others are snubbed because they don't belong. So they will never benefit from the esprit de corps, which means their research careers won't go anywhere.

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Note added at 1 day23 hrs (2015-08-30 14:09:58 GMT)
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The others are snubbed because they did not go to the same university as the 'gremio' members; their dissertations were not supervised by the same professors as the ones who supervised the gremio members' dissertatiion; they do not have the same training profile as the gremio members'.

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Note added at 1 day23 hrs (2015-08-30 14:22:29 GMT)
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'esprit de corps' is mostly understood as nice, as Asker put it, because it is the virtue of armies. But what is misunderstood is that the same 'esprit de corps' that strengthens army makes them non transparent to society at large. To wit, it was very difficult for women to integrate into the US army. Some were raped and the rapists were protected by the army's esprit de corps. The US army took a long, long time before accepting gay men. Why? se the US army esprit de corps was against gay people etc...

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Note added at 1 day23 hrs (2015-08-30 14:25:53 GMT)
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Erratum: 'strengthens armIES' instead of army

Erratum: 'BECAUSE the US army' instead of 'se the US army'
Note from asker:
Hi Francois - Thanks for your suggestion. :o) For me this term is too "nice", like a supportive mentality between members of a group. What I'm looking for is a term that includes deliberate snubbing of others. :o)
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