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Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

Au delà ou en deçà

English translation:

Within or without the bounds of

Added to glossary by Jenefer Bonczyk
Dec 4, 2014 13:18
9 yrs ago
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French term

Au delà ou en deçà

French to English Social Sciences Anthropology Urban anthropology
Au delà ou en deçà de l’urbanité générique…

The following appears in a subtitle on an anthropological text concerning anonymity in urban life. The title precedes an explanation of the concept of a generic, homogenous urbanity and the authors' critique of this idea, postulating a plurality of models of urbanity.
I am inclined to just use 'Beyond a generic urbanity', but don't know how to include the sense of 'en deçà'.
Thankyou in advance for any suggestions.
Proposed translations (English)
3 Within or without the bounds of
4 +1 inside looking out, or outside looking in
4 View from Beyond or from Within

Discussion

B D Finch Dec 4, 2014:
@Phil I was surprised too and both terms are perfectly correct.
philgoddard Dec 4, 2014:
B.D. I'm surprised that Webster's omits the definition of urbanity as "relating to the city". The couple of dictionaries I've looked at both include it, and it seems the appropriate translation to me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urbanity
Jenefer Bonczyk (asker) Dec 4, 2014:
Urbanities Thankyou B D Finch, I had not thought of the meaning in terms of 'urbane', but in the field of Urban Anthropology, urbanities seems the accepted term: http://www.anthrojournal-urbanities.com/
http://www.palgrave.com/page/detail/urbanization-urbanism-an...
B D Finch Dec 4, 2014:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/urbanity
"ur·ban·i·ty
noun \ˌər-ˈba-nə-tē\
plural ur·ban·i·ties
Definition of URBANITY
1
: the quality or state of being urbane
2
plural : urbane acts or conduct
First Known Use of URBANITY
15th century
Rhymes with URBANITY
humanity, inanity, insanity, profanity"

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/urbane
"Definition of urbane in English:
adjective
(Of a person, especially a man) courteous and refined in manner: he is charming and urbane a sophisticated, urbane man"

Though "urbanity" does also have the meaning of the state of being urban, because it is more usually associated with "urbane", social scientists tend to prefer the term "urbanness".
Jane Phillips Dec 4, 2014:
Beyond or within the concept of generic urbanity I can't think of an opposite for beyond which equally concise.
Jenefer Bonczyk (asker) Dec 4, 2014:
That is the full title Dear Jocelyne, that is the whole of the subtitle - including the elipsis - my wording was unclear, sorry. The title of the whole piece is: 'Densité, mobilité, anonymat : une approche comparative des modes de vie urbains'.
Jocelyne S Dec 4, 2014:
Full title Can you provide the full title? It's quite hard to work on a subtitle without the actual title that goes with it. In any case it sounds like you will likely have to move away from a literal translation, as is often the case in these contexts.

Proposed translations

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Within or without the bounds of

https://www.foursquare.org/images/assets/Bylaws_06_2013_Engl...
Regular or special meetings of the board shall be held at any place within or without the bounds of the State of California, which may be designated from time to.

www.marynsam.co.uk/.../a_pragmasocioreligious_investigation...
“within or without” the bounds of literalness,

https://www.courtlistener.com/wva/7Lkp/state-v-demus/
... may be located within or without the bounds of the municipality, .... belonging exclusively to any county, district, city, village, or town in this state, ...

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Note added at 1 hr (2014-12-04 14:24:14 GMT)
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books.google.co.uk/books?id=b5VIAAAAYAAJ
1833 - ‎England
... perpetrated by no other populace within or without the bounds of the civilized world. ...

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Note added at 1 day2 hrs (2014-12-05 15:47:21 GMT) Post-grading
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I've found it used for, among other things: within and without the bounds of lawful authority, style guides, denomination, (God's) creation, religion and spirituality ...

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Note added at 1 day2 hrs (2014-12-05 15:48:10 GMT) Post-grading
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That should have been "within OR without" in the previous note.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thankyou, I like this phrase although it seems generally to be used for actual places, I think I can stretch it to apply to an academic theory. "
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View from Beyond or from Within

Based on the Asker's explanations, my view is that the title of this new paragraph indicates how the author of this anthropology paper is to criticize the concept of generic urbanity: from beyond, to show what the concept excludes; from within, to show what the concept misses within what it includes
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inside looking out, or outside looking in

Iyes hard to come up with something without seeing the paper or knowing what they mean by "generic urbanity", but here's a suggestion.
Peer comment(s):
agree kashew : Hi P, May I suggest "Placelessness: from inside and outside"
10 mins
You may :-)
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