Babelworth (asker) Apr 9, 2013:

merci à tous pour vos réponses et réflexions

Tony M Apr 7, 2013:

Indeed! Thank you for your kind words!

It is very often a matter of 'decoding' — and of course I am never SURE either, I just give you my reasoning... for what it's worth ;-)

Babelworth (asker) Apr 7, 2013:

Thanks Tony, am always amazed by the depth of your "insights", and things are getting clearer to me from what you said ... I mean no disrespect to Indian colleagues but sometimes they have such a “different” phrase formulation…

Tony M Apr 7, 2013:

Not really :-( While one might think so for piping, where the flow of water etc. will be directional, I don't think to for electricity, where the notion isn't quite the same. I'd expect to see that expressed by ideas like incoming / outgoing etc.

If you start from the principle of 'on machine' simply means 'fitted on the machine', then it all make sense.

It's natural enough that the 'off machine' stuff wouldn't be supplied, but the more important exclusion here that actually needs stating explicitly is any of the 'on machine' stuff — there could be a grey area: "Is that part of the machine, or part of the installation?"

Babelworth (asker) Apr 7, 2013:

thanks for your suggestions tony, I was thinking of:

ON = (coming) to the machine
OFF= (leaving) from the machine

Do you think this may make sense?

Tony M Apr 7, 2013:

Then... ...I think the sense you need to translate is 'piping that is fitted on the machine or fitted external to the machine' etc.

Babelworth (asker) Apr 7, 2013:

It's a list of what vendor will supply with machine, "excluded" items will be the responsibility of buyer

Tony M Apr 7, 2013:

Context? If these are 'exclusions', please tell us from what they are being excluded?