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May 10, 2012 19:40
12 yrs ago
English Middle (ca.1100-1500) term

saidith

English Middle (ca.1100-1500) to English Law/Patents Law (general)
Did "saidith" ever exist as a past tense of "to say"?

I'm trying to determine if an author has invented a quote out of whole cloth, or if a quote in a manuscript containing this word could actually be a real quote. The quote (which I'd rather not put in full due to Google) is supposed to be from a legal document from mid-17th-century New England. I know the 1650s are not exactly the time period of this source language field, but this is a question for specialists, who will read the Middle English questions.

All other uses of the past tense of "to say" in this document (the author has, if my hunch is right, basically added an imaginary few sentences to the end of what is a real document) are plain ol' "said," not "saidith," and a search in books.google.com shows, when I look at them, NO uses of "saidith." Something that shows up after a search, from a book from 1740, is actually "said o' th'" when you click the link. Searches on Google proper of "saidith" basically reveal modern people playing with language.

Long intro, I know, but I'm fascinated to know if my suspicions are accurate or not. Thank you so much.

Discussion

Zittle (asker) May 11, 2012:
Thanks so much, both of you! This is what I thought.
Rebecca Garber May 11, 2012:
King James bible includes saith and spake, but not saidith. Saidith is simply gibberish by people attempting to claim religious authority.
Alison Sabedoria (X) May 11, 2012:
Your suspicions are probably right! The 3rd person sing. present tense would have been "saith" until the early 17th century, but already falling out of use around the time you mention, apart from in very formal language. "Saidith", as you say, shows up as people messing around with pseudo-old-fashioned English of no particular historical period.</p><p>

Interesting analysis here (trial in 1692): http://books.google.fr/books?id=o-O6N2reiXMC&pg=PA77&lpg=PA7...
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