Glossary entry (derived from question below)
español term or phrase:
mozo de prendas
inglés translation:
a fine/splendid gentleman
Added to glossary by
Jenni Lukac (X)
May 17, 2011 11:36
13 yrs ago
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mozo de prendas
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Arte, artes manuales, pintura
Goya's letters
The above comes from a catalogue entry on this painting http://www.cult.gva.es/mbav/data/0580.jpg of Mariano Ferrer.
More context:
Mariano Ferrer fue secretario de la Real Academia de San Carlos de Valencia desde el dos de mayo de 1785. Tras su jubilación en 1809 fue nombrado académico de honor.
En una carta que Goya envió en 1783 a su amigo Martín Zapater hace referencia a este personaje:
"En Balencia no dejes de tratar con un Amigo que tengo que te gustara mucho es *****mozo de prendas*****, y yo le he ablado tanto de ti que tiene grandes deseos de conocert, es don Mariano Ferrer. Todo Balencia le conoze por aficionado a las Artes y ciencias y beras su retrato que se lo hice cuando el estubo aquí."
Any ideas?
UK Eng please. Thanks in advance.
More context:
Mariano Ferrer fue secretario de la Real Academia de San Carlos de Valencia desde el dos de mayo de 1785. Tras su jubilación en 1809 fue nombrado académico de honor.
En una carta que Goya envió en 1783 a su amigo Martín Zapater hace referencia a este personaje:
"En Balencia no dejes de tratar con un Amigo que tengo que te gustara mucho es *****mozo de prendas*****, y yo le he ablado tanto de ti que tiene grandes deseos de conocert, es don Mariano Ferrer. Todo Balencia le conoze por aficionado a las Artes y ciencias y beras su retrato que se lo hice cuando el estubo aquí."
Any ideas?
UK Eng please. Thanks in advance.
Proposed translations
(inglés)
| 4 +4 | a fine/splendid gentleman |
Jenni Lukac (X)
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| 4 +1 | a (very) fine young fellow |
Charles Davis
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| 4 | very handsome gentleman |
Antoni Morey i Pasqual
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Change log
May 31, 2011 07:45: Jenni Lukac (X) Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
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a fine/splendid gentleman
Another option: --"0h, Mr. Acevedios a fine person,a fine gentleman".Formó una familia bonita, respeta los 1eyes,es un magnfico
ciudadano. Pero tiene sus limitaciones." http://digitalcommons.utep.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1... a fine gentleman. 17 morally upright and commendable a fine man. 18 (Cricket) (of a fielding position) oblique to and behind the wicket fine leg ...
diccionario.reverso.net/ingles.../fine%20%7B%7B1%7D%7D - En caché; The deceased was a splendid gentleman and numbered his friends by his acquaintances. The deceased is survived by his wife and two daughters. ...
www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/.../1929_3.htm - En caché - Similares
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or splendid fellow: Splendid fellow! I was very sad to hear today of the passing of Nicholas ... He was a fine actor and was, indeed, a splendid fellow. ...
glasswalking-stick.blogspot.com/2011/.../splendid-fellow.html - En caché
ciudadano. Pero tiene sus limitaciones." http://digitalcommons.utep.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1... a fine gentleman. 17 morally upright and commendable a fine man. 18 (Cricket) (of a fielding position) oblique to and behind the wicket fine leg ...
diccionario.reverso.net/ingles.../fine%20%7B%7B1%7D%7D - En caché; The deceased was a splendid gentleman and numbered his friends by his acquaintances. The deceased is survived by his wife and two daughters. ...
www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/.../1929_3.htm - En caché - Similares
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or splendid fellow: Splendid fellow! I was very sad to hear today of the passing of Nicholas ... He was a fine actor and was, indeed, a splendid fellow. ...
glasswalking-stick.blogspot.com/2011/.../splendid-fellow.html - En caché
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Comment: "Selected automatically based on peer agreement."
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Antoni Morey i Pasqual
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very handsome gentleman
It means the same as "mozo de buenas prendas"
http://books.google.com/books?id=KAoi4QpBtboC&pg=PA120&lpg=P...
It's an archaic expression meaning in modern English: good looking guy, so an appropriate in the correct registry would be "very handsome gentleman"
http://books.google.com/books?id=KAoi4QpBtboC&pg=PA120&lpg=P...
It's an archaic expression meaning in modern English: good looking guy, so an appropriate in the correct registry would be "very handsome gentleman"
+1
2 horas
a (very) fine young fellow
"prendas" here means excellent physical and moral qualities:
"prenda
7. f. Cada una de las perfecciones o cualidades físicas o morales que posee una persona. Hombre de prendas."
http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/SrvltGUIBusUsual?TIPO_HTML=2&TIPO...
I think "fine" is ideal. With "mucho es", this can be stepped up to "very fine".
However, I don't think "caballero" is the right word here. "Mozo", in Goya's day as now, meant a young man. So it is defined in the earliest RAE dictionary (1734):
"mozo. Lo mismo que Joven"
Goya is writing to a friend about another friend. One doesn't want to overdo the colloquial tone, but it should be familiar, I think. So I'd suggest "young fellow" rather than "young man".
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It should be noted that "prenda" in this period implies innate moral and physical qualities: it doesn't imply well-dressed:
"Prendas. Se llama también las buenas partes, qualidades o perfecciones, assi del cuerpo como del alma, con que la naturaleza adorna algun sugeto" (RAE Dictionary 1737).
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When I said "I don't think 'caballero' is the right word, I meant to say "I don't think 'gentleman' is the right word".
(By the way, I don't like to be unkind, but judging from the portrait, Goya was referring to Ferrer's moral qualities rather than his physical ones.)
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One more thing: ignore my comment about "mucho es", which I misread. I would leave it at "fine young fellow", though "very fine" would be OK too.
"prenda
7. f. Cada una de las perfecciones o cualidades físicas o morales que posee una persona. Hombre de prendas."
http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/SrvltGUIBusUsual?TIPO_HTML=2&TIPO...
I think "fine" is ideal. With "mucho es", this can be stepped up to "very fine".
However, I don't think "caballero" is the right word here. "Mozo", in Goya's day as now, meant a young man. So it is defined in the earliest RAE dictionary (1734):
"mozo. Lo mismo que Joven"
Goya is writing to a friend about another friend. One doesn't want to overdo the colloquial tone, but it should be familiar, I think. So I'd suggest "young fellow" rather than "young man".
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Note added at 3 hrs (2011-05-17 14:38:31 GMT)
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It should be noted that "prenda" in this period implies innate moral and physical qualities: it doesn't imply well-dressed:
"Prendas. Se llama también las buenas partes, qualidades o perfecciones, assi del cuerpo como del alma, con que la naturaleza adorna algun sugeto" (RAE Dictionary 1737).
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Note added at 5 hrs (2011-05-17 16:40:46 GMT)
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When I said "I don't think 'caballero' is the right word, I meant to say "I don't think 'gentleman' is the right word".
(By the way, I don't like to be unkind, but judging from the portrait, Goya was referring to Ferrer's moral qualities rather than his physical ones.)
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One more thing: ignore my comment about "mucho es", which I misread. I would leave it at "fine young fellow", though "very fine" would be OK too.
Peer comment(s):
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Altogringo
: Was inclined towards Jenni at first, thought of dandy first but your points are good. Both you and Jenni are right on it, and being U.S.-born, I'm not going step in the middle
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Thanks a lot, Altogringo :)
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