Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
s\'exprimer dans un ensemble fin et velouté
English translation:
revealing the wine\'s fine pedigree through its underlying velvety delicacy
Added to glossary by
Carol Gullidge
Feb 17, 2011 10:06
13 yrs ago
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French term
United Kingdom
poetically precise prose with... panache
Native in: English 
Works in: French to English, Spanish to English, English
s'exprimer dans un ensemble fin et velouté
French to English
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Wine / Oenology / Viticulture
tasting notes
En bouche, belle attaque sur le fruit, élégance et équilibre, une chair soyeuse, raffinée, pas trop d'extraction permettant à une belle race de ******s'exprimer dans un ensemble fin et velouté******
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The stumbling block here seems to be 'ensemble' - making it hard to make this flow in a coherent and succinct way in English. Somehow, the obvious "a fine and velvety whole" sounds a little awkward to my ears, and I wonder if there is a better way to express this without turning it into too much of an essay.
Any suggestions wold be most welcome - many thanks!
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The stumbling block here seems to be 'ensemble' - making it hard to make this flow in a coherent and succinct way in English. Somehow, the obvious "a fine and velvety whole" sounds a little awkward to my ears, and I wonder if there is a better way to express this without turning it into too much of an essay.
Any suggestions wold be most welcome - many thanks!
Proposed translations
(English)
| 3 +3 | blending to form a delicate, velvety taste/flavour |
ormiston
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| 3 +4 | deliver a stylish, velvet-smooth overall impression |
Barbara Carrara
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| 4 | coming together in a fine velvety ensemble |
kashew
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Proposed translations
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14 mins
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blending to form a delicate, velvety taste/flavour
my stab at it!
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Note added at 15 mins (2011-02-17 10:22:28 GMT)
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taste flavour or even texture
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Note added at 15 mins (2011-02-17 10:22:28 GMT)
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taste flavour or even texture
Note from asker:
| thanks so much ormiston! I like delicate and velvety! Sorry to take so long to get back to you, but I got waylaid by a flurry of short but urgent translations, and have only just made my escape! |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
carolynf
: would "mouthfeel" maybe be more in keeping with the context here?
9 mins
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nice & sensual!
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| agree |
Denise DeVries
2 hrs
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| agree |
cc in nyc
: yes to "delicate" and "velvety"
3 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Many thanks everybody! In the end, the client went for "allowing its fine pedigree to shine through the wine’s underlying velvety delicacy". Everyone's suggestions contributed in some way to this solution, which doubtless could also be improved upon considerably given less of a time constraint at the time of posting!"
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1 hr
Barbara Carrara
Italy
Italy
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Native in: Italian
Works in: English to Italian, French to Italian, Italian
Related KudoZ points
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16
deliver a stylish, velvet-smooth overall impression
Depending on how you translate the first part of the sentence, this would be my suggestion (and one of many, no doubt).
Here's some supporting evidence,
'The first taste was magical. Very seldom to you get a wine that delivers everything you are looking for in the beverage you are so passionate about. The Lillian Syrah delivers on so many different levels. It’s dark and brooding and packs so much flavor that you grasp for the right words.'
(http://ballymote.wordpress.com/category/info-on-wine/tasting...
'Elegant and stylish and effortless in delivery with a pleasurable flavor impression on notes of roasted nuts, chalk, and lime fruit. Complex and multi dimensional with a long aftertaste.'
(http://lapassionduvin.com/phorum/read.php?9,115276)
'The taste should supplement the clues provided by your nose. Ask yourself whether the wine in your mouth (the palate) delivers what the nose advertised.'
(http://mywineshop.com.sg/wineinfo.asp)
'The palate is ripe-tasting, with cherry, sweet berry and red fruit flavours, a good dash of spice, savoury facets and cedary oak. The acid balance is excellent and the overall impression is one of softness and suppleness, rich yet fresh.'
(http://www.winetradeonline.co.nz/customer/product.php?produc...
'Round and rich flavors of red berries, ripe cherry and a hint of oak. Luscious fruit and smooth texture. The overall impression is mellow and smooth with great balance.'
(http://www.riverroomgeorgetown.com/index.php?option=com_cont...
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Note added at 5 hrs (2011-02-17 15:21:02 GMT)
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Thanks for your note, Carol.
Here's some supporting evidence,
'The first taste was magical. Very seldom to you get a wine that delivers everything you are looking for in the beverage you are so passionate about. The Lillian Syrah delivers on so many different levels. It’s dark and brooding and packs so much flavor that you grasp for the right words.'
(http://ballymote.wordpress.com/category/info-on-wine/tasting...
'Elegant and stylish and effortless in delivery with a pleasurable flavor impression on notes of roasted nuts, chalk, and lime fruit. Complex and multi dimensional with a long aftertaste.'
(http://lapassionduvin.com/phorum/read.php?9,115276)
'The taste should supplement the clues provided by your nose. Ask yourself whether the wine in your mouth (the palate) delivers what the nose advertised.'
(http://mywineshop.com.sg/wineinfo.asp)
'The palate is ripe-tasting, with cherry, sweet berry and red fruit flavours, a good dash of spice, savoury facets and cedary oak. The acid balance is excellent and the overall impression is one of softness and suppleness, rich yet fresh.'
(http://www.winetradeonline.co.nz/customer/product.php?produc...
'Round and rich flavors of red berries, ripe cherry and a hint of oak. Luscious fruit and smooth texture. The overall impression is mellow and smooth with great balance.'
(http://www.riverroomgeorgetown.com/index.php?option=com_cont...
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Note added at 5 hrs (2011-02-17 15:21:02 GMT)
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Thanks for your note, Carol.
Note from asker:
| many thanks Barbara! I'm actually applying "s'exprimer" to "belle race"/fine pedigree, but otherwise would like 'delivers' Also like the rest! |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Colin Rowe
: Sounds great! // Santé!
1 hr
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Well, cheers to that! Thanks, Barbara
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| agree |
Layla de Chabot
: deliver seems appropriate for "s'exprimer"
1 hr
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Thanks, Layla!
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| agree |
cc in nyc
: yes to "stylish" and "velvet-smooth"
2 hrs
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Thanks!
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| agree |
B D Finch
3 hrs
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Thanks!
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1 hr
coming together in a fine velvety ensemble
Lovely fine minerally texture enhancing good fruit and earthy undertones. .... All come together in a great ensemble. Growing - will improve further! ... Full bodied velvety texture. Loads of mouth filling ripe black fruit integrated ...
www.winefromafrica.com/genesisasp.asp?...
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Note added at 1 heure (2011-02-17 11:48:31 GMT)
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fin/fine and velouté/velvety are confirmed in Broadbent's "Wine tasting" appendix of terms.
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Note added at 5 heures (2011-02-17 15:17:46 GMT)
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Maybe work in "racy" just prior to your question bit?
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Note added at 5 heures (2011-02-17 15:37:33 GMT)
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Yes, I see "pedigree" used - and also "breed"
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:M91hM4v...
www.winefromafrica.com/genesisasp.asp?...
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Note added at 1 heure (2011-02-17 11:48:31 GMT)
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fin/fine and velouté/velvety are confirmed in Broadbent's "Wine tasting" appendix of terms.
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Note added at 5 heures (2011-02-17 15:17:46 GMT)
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Maybe work in "racy" just prior to your question bit?
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Note added at 5 heures (2011-02-17 15:37:33 GMT)
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Yes, I see "pedigree" used - and also "breed"
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:M91hM4v...
Note from asker:
| many thanks kashew! Actually I often (but not always!) use the (rather boringly obvious??) "fine" for "fin", as in the Lexivin, which gives "delicate/refined" (dégust) |
| I don't think it's racy (racé) but pedigree, strange though this may sound! |
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
cc in nyc
: IMO "fine" is too much like "nice" here for "fin" // Yes, I think that "elegant" is better. :-)
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Elegant if you prefer?
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Discussion
Defining the English, Fine = Distinguished, elegant and delicate wine.