Glossary entry (derived from question below)
English term or phrase:
forma specifica
English answer:
"in forma specifica" (Latin); loosely, "in specific form"
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Taña Dalglish
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forma specifica
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The general discussion of this theme took place in numerous meetings of the sub-commission and during the plenary sessions of the International Theological Commission held in Rome from 1998 to 1999. The present text was approved in **** forma specifica **** by the International Theological Commission, by written vote, and was then submitted to the President, Cardinal Ratzinger, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, who gave his approval for its publication.
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| 3 +5 | Latin leave as it (put in italics= |
Taña Dalglish
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| 5 | Confirmation |
Sajjad Hamadani
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| 4 | an act of the supreme authority of the Church |
Demi Ebrite
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| 4 -4 | in adapted envisage form of |
Alexandra Taggart
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References
| *in* forma specifica |
Jim Tucker (X)
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Latin leave as it (put in italics=
loosely it translates to "in a prescribed manner"
The general discussion of this theme took place in numerous meetings of the sub-commission and during the plenary sessions of the International Theological Commission held in Rome from 1998 to 1999. By written vote, the present text was approved in forma specifica by the Commission, and was then submitted to the President, Cardinal Ratzinger, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, who gave his approval for its publication.
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http://books.google.com/books?id=jduLeQnA2doC&pg=PA62&lpg=PA...
In forma specifica (In specific form). This is a legislative term associated primarily with canon law. An ecclesial document or act or law (e.g., one issuing from some Vatican dicastery, such as the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, that is given in forma specifica means that the Pope has approved this document, act, or law, in a special such that no further appeal to the Pope directly is possible (unless the Pope himself should specifically mandate such an appeal). The expression in forma specifica indicates that the Pope has reviewed the document and makes it his own by express approbation, and thus the document acquires the canonical force of a formal papal act.
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Note added at 22 hrs (2008-12-30 21:36:40 GMT)
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Dear Saleh:
I am not sure what you are driving at in your note. What does not make sense?? You are not ignoring anything by leaving "in forma specifica".
The term should be left in Latin "in forma specifica". You can then offer a short explanation/gloss it or whatever form you choose to take and my answer is supported by the validation of five peers! The last link I provided (www.books.google.com/books? id, etc. )offers a good explanation!!
Happy New Year Saleh!
The general discussion of this theme took place in numerous meetings of the sub-commission and during the plenary sessions of the International Theological Commission held in Rome from 1998 to 1999. By written vote, the present text was approved in forma specifica by the Commission, and was then submitted to the President, Cardinal Ratzinger, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, who gave his approval for its publication.
The Hope of Salvation for Infants Who Die Without Being Baptised
- [ Traducir esta página ]
The International Theological Commission has studied the question of the fate of ... This present text was approved in forma specifica by the members of the ...
www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/.../rc_con_... - 166k - En caché - Páginas similares
Más resultados de www.vatican.va »
The Celebration of the Great Jubilee
- [ Traducir esta página ]
By written vote, the present text was approved in forma specifica by the Commission, ... The International Theological Commission, in which a diversity of ...
ewtn.com/library/CURIA/ITCRECON.HTM - 159k - En caché - Páginas similares
relazioni ebraico-cristiane
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The present text was approved in forma specifica by the International Theological Commission, by written vote, and was then submitted to the President , ...
seth.studenti.pv.it/rel-ebr-cri.html - 13k - En caché - Páginas similares
Pequeñas Entrevistas (XI) - Pablo C « R O M E
16 May 2007 ... This present text was approved in forma specifica by the members of the Commission, and was subsequently submitted to its President, ...
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Note added at 39 mins (2008-12-29 23:25:51 GMT)
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http://books.google.com/books?id=jduLeQnA2doC&pg=PA62&lpg=PA...
In forma specifica (In specific form). This is a legislative term associated primarily with canon law. An ecclesial document or act or law (e.g., one issuing from some Vatican dicastery, such as the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, that is given in forma specifica means that the Pope has approved this document, act, or law, in a special such that no further appeal to the Pope directly is possible (unless the Pope himself should specifically mandate such an appeal). The expression in forma specifica indicates that the Pope has reviewed the document and makes it his own by express approbation, and thus the document acquires the canonical force of a formal papal act.
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Note added at 22 hrs (2008-12-30 21:36:40 GMT)
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Dear Saleh:
I am not sure what you are driving at in your note. What does not make sense?? You are not ignoring anything by leaving "in forma specifica".
The term should be left in Latin "in forma specifica". You can then offer a short explanation/gloss it or whatever form you choose to take and my answer is supported by the validation of five peers! The last link I provided (www.books.google.com/books? id, etc. )offers a good explanation!!
Happy New Year Saleh!
Note from asker:
| Thanks Taña! However, it does not make any sense for the target audience to leave it as it is :-( Moreover, the religious nature of the text necessitates to tend to be literal and not to ignore any part. |
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an act of the supreme authority of the Church
"The confirmation in 'forma specifica' makes a confirmed act an act of the supreme authority of the Church, who is then legally its author. A lower judge can do nothing against such an act, given the principle that “the First See cannot be judged by anyone else.” (Code of Canon Law of 1983, c. 1404)." [ref 1]
". . . Or he can confirm the act in 'forma specifica', in which case the act ceases to be merely the act of the dicastery and becomes also that of the pope and enjoys his authority as well and so is law and is no longer merely a curial instruction"
". . . Or he can confirm the act in 'forma specifica', in which case the act ceases to be merely the act of the dicastery and becomes also that of the pope and enjoys his authority as well and so is law and is no longer merely a curial instruction"
Peer comment(s):
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Alexandra Taggart
: Finally - yes, it becomes.
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Thank you, Alexondra.
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Sajjad Hamadani
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Confirmation
http://www.summorumpontificum.net/2008/02/sp-february-14-200...
http://www.musicasacra.com/pdf/choralsanctus.pdf
Forma specifica as opposed to forma generali is a specific approval or confirmation of act either by the Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office or the Pope
http://www.musicasacra.com/pdf/choralsanctus.pdf
Forma specifica as opposed to forma generali is a specific approval or confirmation of act either by the Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office or the Pope
Peer comment(s):
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Jim Tucker (X)
: in forma specifica / in forma generali (ablatives - the endings don't make sense in Latin without the "in")
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Alexandra Taggart
Russian Federation
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in adapted envisage form of
acquiring characteristic features
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Note added at 7 hrs (2008-12-30 06:33:26 GMT)
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http://www.summorumpontificum.net/2008/02/sp-february-14-200...
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Note added at 12 hrs (2008-12-30 10:47:13 GMT)
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The terms are for interpretation:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12164c.htm
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Note added at 12 hrs (2008-12-30 11:12:48 GMT)
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Quite a choice:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=adapted envisage forma ...
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Note added at 14 hrs (2008-12-30 13:32:24 GMT)
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Adapted version forma/modified forma. Probably "envisage" is too wide concept.
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Note added at 17 hrs (2008-12-30 16:06:46 GMT)
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Please, just bother to read:
SP February 14, 2008
By Patrick Archbold
Rumor Has It...
According to Fr. John Zuhlsdorf, two independent source have confirmed that the document clarifying questions regarding the motu proprio Summorum Pontificum is now on Pope Benedict's desk. Further, it will be issued in forma specifica.
The confirmation in forma specifica makes a confirmed act an act of the supreme authority of the Church, who is then legally its author. A lower judge can do nothing against such an act, given the principle that “the First See cannot be judged by anyone else.” (Code of Canon Law of 1983, c. 1404). It is for this reason that the mandatum of the Apostolic See or aperitio oris is indispensable when a lower judge undertakes a new review of a matter or evaluates a document (c. 1405 2). Consequently, a decree from a provincial council approved in forma communi remains a conciliar decree. whereas if it is approved in forma specfica, it becomes one of the Roman pontiff’s higher laws.
Posted by Patrick Archbold at 12:00 AM
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Note added at 17 hrs (2008-12-30 16:10:45 GMT)
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This document would be hung on the wall unchanged othewise.
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Note added at 19 hrs (2008-12-30 18:28:21 GMT)
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"let it be adapted or, if you wish, “redeemed,” for the service of ..... Gospels that we envisage this God, accessible and available to people ..."
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Note added at 7 hrs (2008-12-30 06:33:26 GMT)
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http://www.summorumpontificum.net/2008/02/sp-february-14-200...
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Note added at 12 hrs (2008-12-30 10:47:13 GMT)
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The terms are for interpretation:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12164c.htm
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Note added at 12 hrs (2008-12-30 11:12:48 GMT)
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Quite a choice:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=adapted envisage forma ...
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Note added at 14 hrs (2008-12-30 13:32:24 GMT)
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Adapted version forma/modified forma. Probably "envisage" is too wide concept.
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Note added at 17 hrs (2008-12-30 16:06:46 GMT)
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Please, just bother to read:
SP February 14, 2008
By Patrick Archbold
Rumor Has It...
According to Fr. John Zuhlsdorf, two independent source have confirmed that the document clarifying questions regarding the motu proprio Summorum Pontificum is now on Pope Benedict's desk. Further, it will be issued in forma specifica.
The confirmation in forma specifica makes a confirmed act an act of the supreme authority of the Church, who is then legally its author. A lower judge can do nothing against such an act, given the principle that “the First See cannot be judged by anyone else.” (Code of Canon Law of 1983, c. 1404). It is for this reason that the mandatum of the Apostolic See or aperitio oris is indispensable when a lower judge undertakes a new review of a matter or evaluates a document (c. 1405 2). Consequently, a decree from a provincial council approved in forma communi remains a conciliar decree. whereas if it is approved in forma specfica, it becomes one of the Roman pontiff’s higher laws.
Posted by Patrick Archbold at 12:00 AM
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Note added at 17 hrs (2008-12-30 16:10:45 GMT)
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This document would be hung on the wall unchanged othewise.
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Note added at 19 hrs (2008-12-30 18:28:21 GMT)
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"let it be adapted or, if you wish, “redeemed,” for the service of ..... Gospels that we envisage this God, accessible and available to people ..."
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Jim Tucker (X)
: This is not comprehensible English./ Please consult a native speaker A.
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And what is difficult for you to comprehend?
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Armorel Young
: Jim is right, this is completely meaningless - what sort of grammatical structure is "envisage form" (it's not in the reference that you link to)?
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I just looked back, I've missed one letter, it's "forma".
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Taña Dalglish
: In forma specifica (In specific form). http://books.google.com/books?id=jduLeQnA2doC&pg=PA62&lpg=PA... This is a legislative term associated primarily with canon law. It is not a multi-usage term, it is very specific. Your proposed ans. is not English!
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The canon is applied, the document, which clarifies the questions is issued.
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Lydia De Jorge
: ?????????????//Neither is what you posted!
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This is not comprehensible English.
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Reference comments
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Reference:
*in* forma specifica
Note that the "in" is part of the Latin phrase; when you leave it in Latin (hint) and put it in italics (which I hope you do), it should all be part of the phrase:
in forma specifica
in forma specifica
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