Glossary entry

Spanish term or phrase:

rastros remolcados

English translation:

clam rakes/ bull rakes

Added to glossary by Renee Mazloum
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Sep 15, 2008 10:39
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Spanish term

rastros remolcados

Spanish to English Science Fisheries
Buenos días!
Me podrían ayudar con este término por favor?

Contexto: la pesca artesanal

Mayoritariamente son embarcaciones dedicadas a la pesca artesanal con trasmallos y palangres, y también un considerable número de embarcaciones que capturan bivalvos con rastros remolcados.

I’ve got the rest of the sentence. It’s just this last part that has me stuck. I wonder if this might be trawlers, or are they only used in off-shore fishing?

Thanks, as always, for your help!
Proposed translations (English)
3 (hydraulic?) clam dredges
Change log

Sep 15, 2008 11:43: Renee Mazloum Created KOG entry

Sep 15, 2008 13:09: Renee Mazloum changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/819602">Renee Mazloum's</a> old entry - "rastros remolcados"" to ""trammel nets""

Sep 15, 2008 13:09: Renee Mazloum changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/819602">Renee Mazloum's</a> old entry - "rastros remolcados"" to ""clam rakes""

Sep 16, 2008 22:19: Renee Mazloum changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/819602">Renee Mazloum's</a> old entry - "rastros remolcados"" to ""clam rakes""

Discussion

Non-ProZ.com Sep 17, 2008:
Yes, I went with bull rakes (or hand rakes) in the end, as I found that they are the methods most commonly used in artisan fishing, and I believe that they correspond to rastros remolcados. Hydraulic dredges, I found, are dragas hidráulicas. Thanks again for all of your help with the term. Best regards, RL
Taña Dalglish Sep 16, 2008:
Renee: I see you have found your answer: bull rakes. Regards. TD
Taña Dalglish Sep 15, 2008:
rastro tradicional remolcado ?? Renee:
Clarificaton:
Is "rastro tradicional remocado" the term you are looking for?. I have serious doubts that it refers only to the "traditional hand rake". Renee why don´t you close out this question and repost and give sufficient context thus allowing others to provide you with better options. To me the hand rake is but one item (but I could be wrong!).

The rastro appears to be the entire system to which the rake is attached? the name I don´t know!

a) Se entiende por ******rastro tradicional remolcado****, el sistema de marisqueo constituido por un armazón de hierro en forma de semicircunferencia, cuya base, también denominada pletina o peine, es plana y en ella se insertan púas o dientes de longitud variable. Unido al armazón va el copo, formado por una red de luz de malla no inferior a 21 milímetros, que permite la salida de los individuos de talla inferior a la reglamentaria.

El copo puede ser sustituido por un armazón metálico, con una estructura de alambres paralelos con una separación no inferior a 13 milímetros.

b) Se entiende por draga hidráulica, el sistema de marisqueo constituido por un armazón metálico cuyas características vienen definidas en el Anexo de la presente Orden, instalado a proa de la embarcación. Dicho armazón o draga, es remolcado a la vez por proa de la embarcación, que avanza en sentido opuesto debido a la acción de una maquinilla, recuperando un cable que va unido a un anclote largado previamente por popa y que constituye el punto fijo para las maniobras de pesca. Este remolcado del arte puede ser sustituido por la utilización de la marcha atrás, siempre y cuando no se supere una velocidad sobre el fondo de 2,5 nudos.
Renee Mazloum (asker) Sep 15, 2008:
hand rakes? Taña, thank you going out of your way to help me find the correct term. I really appreciate your efforts, and thank you for sending the document. I am inclined to believe that it is actually the more environmentally friendly method of using a hand rake vs. the industrial method of using hydraulics, after reading this description, which applies to the different uses in the ports of Cadiz.

Artículo 2. Artes y embarcaciones autorizados.

1. Los artes o sistemas de pesca autorizados son el tradicional rastro remolcado desde la embarcación y la draga hidráulica tal y como se definen a continuación:

a) Se entiende por rastro tradicional remolcado, el sistema de marisqueo constituido por un armazón de hierro en forma de semicircunferencia, cuya base, también denominada pletina o peine, es plana y en ella se insertan púas o dientes de longitud variable. Unido al armazón va el copo, formado por una red de luz de malla no inferior a 21 milímetros, que permite la salida de los individuos de talla inferior a la reglamentaria.

El copo puede ser sustituido por un armazón metálico, con una estructura de alambres paralelos con una separación no inferior a 13 milímetros.

b) Se entiende por draga hidráulica, el sistema de marisqueo constituido por un armazón metálico cuyas características vienen definidas en el Anexo de la presente Orden, instalado a proa de la embarcación. Dicho armazón o draga, es remolcado a la vez por proa de la embarcación, que avanza en sentido opuesto debido a la acción de una maquinilla, recuperando un cable que va unido a un anclote largado previamente por popa y que constituye el punto fijo para las maniobras de pesca. Este remolcado del arte puede ser sustituido por la utilización de la marcha atrás, siempre y cuando no se supere una velocidad sobre el fondo de 2,5 nudos.

El armazón incorpora un dispositivo de chorros de agua a presión en la boca del arte, para la remoción del sustrato.

El sistema se completa con un mecanismo de cribas de selección.

2. Las embarcaciones autorizadas para el rastro remolcado tradicional son aquellas que, con puerto base oficial en el Golfo de Cádiz, estén incluidas en el Censo de Embarcaciones Marisqueras con Rastro, y las embarcaciones autorizadas para la draga hidráulica son aquellas incluidas en el Censo de Embarcaciones autorizadas al uso de Draga Hidráulica. Todo ello de acuerdo con lo dispuesto en el artículo once de la presente Orden.
Renee Mazloum (asker) Sep 15, 2008:
Clam rake Hi Taña,
I think you are right. Your logic does make perfect sense. I guess it makes sense that it would have to be some sort of clam rake, as the clams don’t really swim like fish, and they would have to be scraped off the bottom of the sea, as you suggested. Thanks for helping me find the right term.
Taña Dalglish Sep 15, 2008:
Renee: Have a look.
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/70312/blue-mussel#...

Bivalves (particularly mussels) are collected from deep water by means of dredges or rakes which is what a “rastro” is.
Taña Dalglish Sep 15, 2008:
trasmallos is the trammel net. Why would you have trammel net in the first sentence and again to mean "rastro remolcado"???
Taña Dalglish Sep 15, 2008:
No, I don´t agree Renee. Your original text has "Mayoritariamente son embarcaciones dedicadas a la pesca artesanal con trasmallos y palangres, y también un considerable número de embarcaciones que capturan bivalvos con rastros remolcados."
Renee Mazloum (asker) Sep 15, 2008:
Hi Taña,
Given that this is commercial fishing off of vessels that are based in shallow waters, I would venture to think that it wouldn’t be any kind of hand held raking device. Based on the description that was in the article that LisaMac sent, it appears that trammel net fits the description. Do you not agree?
Taña Dalglish Sep 15, 2008:
I disagree based on context previously provided A trammel net is different.
http://www.wordmagicsoft.com/diccionario/en-es/trammel net.....
trammel net en contexto | imágenes

trammel net Sustantivo
1. trasmallo, brancada; Sinónimos: dragnet, trammel, fishing net; A fishing net with three layers; the outer two are coarse mesh and the loose inner layer is fine mesh.

what you described above "capturan bivalvos con rastros remolcados" is better suited to a type of rake/hand held raking device which are like the garden tool but adapted to raking soft sea bottom, usually in the intertidal zone, to gather clams and other bivalves.

Can you clarify. Renee, it also suggested that you wait 24 hours at least before closing the question so that other more learned peers have time to respond.

However, I cannot see that your chosen answer is correct based on the context you provided. Sorry!

Taña Dalglish Sep 15, 2008:
Renee: what you described above "capturan bivalvos con rastros remolcados" is better suited to a type of rake/hand held raking device which are like the garden tool but adapted to raking soft sea bottom, usually in the intertidal zone, to gather clams and other bivalves
Taña Dalglish Sep 15, 2008:
Renee:

Sorry, but I am confused. Your posting asked for "rastro remolcado" and you claim it is a trammel net, is that correct.

A trammel net is different.
http://www.wordmagicsoft.com/diccionario/en-es/trammel net.p...
trammel net en contexto | imágenes

trammel net Sustantivo
1. trasmallo, brancada; Sinónimos: dragnet, trammel, fishing net; A fishing net with three layers; the outer two are coarse mesh and the loose inner layer is fine mesh.

Renee Mazloum (asker) Sep 15, 2008:
Trammel net Wow!! Thank you so much to both of you! You are very resourceful. That document was very helpful, and I found just the term- trammel net. Apparently, trawl nets are much larger and less common for shallow water fishing.

Proposed translations

2 hrs

(hydraulic?) clam dredges


Renee: I would be inclined to think it is more a clam dredge than a rake or if hydraulic? (remolcado – pulled/tugged?).

Renee, I am curious though, why the urgency to close the question. Why not wait the minimum time recommended by ProZ rules (24 hours), thus allowing others more experienced to assist you? I did NOT say it was a clam rake. I said it was a possibility, as IMO, this makes more sense than your previous choice. I AM NOT 100% SURE EITHER, so allow others to help you and please do not enter into glossary until a definitive answer is given as it corrupts the glossaries.

http://www.montereybayaquarium.org/cr/cr_seafoodwatch/conten...

*************(Pls. Read Pages 23 to 25) where it speaks to hand rakes vs. dredges)**************


Criterion 4: Effect of Fishing Practices on Habitats and Ecosystems
Mobile fishing gear such as trawls and dredges have a greater impact on bottom habitat than fixed gear such as longlines and gillnets (Chuenpagdee et al. 2003). Trawls and dredges have the
potential to affect both the physical and biological components of bottom habitat, by disturbing the sediment and benthic structure. Clams are harvested with both hand rakes and hydraulic
clam dredges. In general, mechanical harvest methods (e.g., hydraulic clam dredges) for hard clams are thought to be more damaging to the physical environment than hand-harvest methods (e.g., hand rakes) (Table 4) (Peterson et al. 1987). Mechanical methods are also more efficient at harvesting clams (Peterson et al. 1987).

And so on and so forth.

HTH!

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Note added at 3 hrs (2008-09-15 13:40:02 GMT)
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or merely (hydraulic??) dredges without using "clams" as it is not only clams being harvested but other bivalves too.

AMENDED SUGGESTION (HYDRAULIC?) DREDGES.

hth!
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Hi Renee can´t really help with this but here´s a link to a PDF which may contain the answer you´re looking for!
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In keeping with Lisa´s link: rakes and scapers:
Possibly clam rake?

ftp://ftp.fao.org/docrep/fao/010/a1073e/a1073e01.pdf (THE FISHING GEAR)

The fishing gear
Rakes and scrapers (next paragraph) are considered as special, elementary forms of a dredge. Rakes are like the garden tool but adapted to raking soft sea bottom, usually in the intertidal zone, to gather clams and other bivalves. Since they are handheld, they are usually used only for subsistence and artisanal fishing.

Figure 3-9
Drawing showing four types of rake commonly used by individual artisanal fishermen
Scrapers are similar to rakes, but more usually used to scrape rock surfaces on which sessile or semi-sessile organisms, such as mussels, oysters and limpets, are attached.

http://seagrant.gso.uri.edu/factsheets/fsquahog.html
Alternatively, you may use a hand rake (available at hardware stores). A clam rake resembles a garden rake, but the tines are longer and the handle is shorter. Drag the rake through the bottom until you feel a scraping, then push the rake in deeper and pull it toward you and upwards to harvest the quahogs. Be sure to wear old shoes or sneakers to protect your feet.

Developmental and exploratory fisheries in Queensland
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WDFW - Shellfish Regulations: Clams Crabs Oysters
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Except for the larger butter clams, rakes are usually most effective, .... Common marine bivalves of California. Calif. Dept. of Fish & Game, Fish. Bull. ...
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HTH!
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