mayoría minoritaria

English translation: simple majority

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Spanish term or phrase:mayoría minoritaria
English translation:simple majority
Entered by: Justin Peterson

18:51 Nov 4, 2020
Spanish to English translations [PRO]
Government / Politics
Spanish term or phrase: mayoría minoritaria
A minority majority?

Huh?

Careful: we do use this to refer to, for example, an area in which a national minority is a regional or local majority. This is NOT the idea

"Bien es cierto que sus mayorías minoritarias estaban mucho más cerca de la mitad más uno de los miembros... que en las Legislaturas 11 y 12."
Justin Peterson
Spain
Local time: 04:11
minority government/parliament // winning party without overall majority
Explanation:
This one is tricky. It refers to a winning party (the party with the highest/greater number of representatives ["mayoría"]) that does not have a majority of overall seats (mayoría "en minoría"; mayoría minoritaria). This does not make sense in a two-parties "game" like in the US but it does in Europe. In England they talk about a hung parliament when this happens. You could use minority government/parliament. As the Asker states, a minority majority does not work for it has a fully different meaning; mayoría minoritaria refers to "a winning party without overall majority". Although I am not sure if there is a more succint expression to convey this in English.

In the particular context of the Asker, sus mayorías minoritarias estaban más cerca de la mitad más uno que en anteriores legislaturas; their minority government/parliament was closer to [a lean majority] than in previous parliamentary terms

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This may be it;

A plurality vote (in the United States) or relative majority (in the United Kingdom and Commonwealth) describes the circumstance when a candidate or proposition polls more votes than any other but does not receive more than half of all votes cast.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plurality_(voting)#:~:text=A...



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i.e.
... their relative majorities were closer to [lean majorities]...

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Hi Justin, I admit it is confusing and yet I still feel "simple majority" is not right in your context.

For example, on a yes/nay vote, absolute majority implies one option holds more than half of the votes of eligible members while simple majority conveys one option holds more than half of actual votes -disregarding absentees. See here for instance (US): https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https:/...

Also (US), on simple majority rule:
https://study.com/academy/lesson/simple-majority-definition-...

(Australia):
This section clearly refers to a simple majority, that is, a majority (half plus one) of the senators present and voting. A simple majority is distinguished from an absolute majority in the Constitution by the requirement in section 128 (...)
https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Senate/Powers_practi...
(UK):
So there are 639 lawmakers who are considered to be active. That means any government needs 320 votes for a simple majority.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/a...


Now, when more than two candidates are racing, simple majority voting determines the winner will be the candidate with the greatest number of votes.

Simple Majority Voting Issues
For instance, among a pool of four candidates nominated for a single seat, a winner can be determined from who gets the maximum number of votes
https://www.meridiaars.com/sometimes-a-simple-majority-isnt-...


But even here, they refrain from explicitly calling the greatest number of votes a "simple majority". It is only in Indian-English texts and some other translated texts that I have been able to find "simple majority" used with this meaning -other than some online-dictionaries definitions-, while "relative majority" is indeed used this way;


With simple plurality, the winner is the candidate supported by only a relative majority, that is, by a higher number of voters than any other candidate but not requiring any particular number, proportion, or threshold of votes. In practice, this makes it possible for generally binding decisions presumably decided by “majority” to actually be won by only a minority of voters. Plurality rule has traditionally been used in England and the United Kingdom and in modern times in former British colonies, including the United States, Canada, and India. Plurality-based electoral systems are also called first-past-the-post and winner-takes-all systems
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://...

And so this is why I wonder whether "simple majority" could be actually used in your context with that pressumed "secondary" meaning of "simple majority", for I feel it does not make full sense used this way here.

I am sorry anyhow for, as I said before, I might well be misleading you on this, complicating things unnecessarily. What I am certain about is what the Spanish original conveys, and that is not an actual majority (more than half of the votes); in English it seems "simple majority" could be used to convey this meaning of a less-than-half-of-the-votes majority -as per some dictionary definitions- but having found not a single example where it is used as such, well, I feel like Thomas: bring hither thy hand, and put it into my side. Again, sorry about that ;)
Selected response from:

Chema Nieto Castañón
Spain
Local time: 04:11
Grading comment
Despite the multiple agrees on "simple majority", it is incorrect and this seems to be the best solution
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
3 +9simple majority
Marie Wilson
5minority government/parliament // winning party without overall majority
Chema Nieto Castañón
4lean majority
David Hollywood
3Bare majority
Alina Ionas
3A slim majority
ormiston


Discussion entries: 10





  

Answers


13 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +9
simple majority


Explanation:
♦ mayoría minoritaria simple majority, relative majority
https://forum.wordreference.com/threads/mayoría-propia.69100...

mayoría absoluta absolute majority
mayoría minoritaria simple majority ⧫ relative majority
mayoría relativa simple majority ⧫ relative majority
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/spanish-english...

Marie Wilson
Spain
Local time: 04:11
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 24

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Manuel Aburto
57 mins
  -> Thanks, Manuel :-)

agree  philgoddard: The asker clearly didn't Google this, as the first hit is a dictionary giving a translation.
1 hr
  -> Thanks, Phil :-)

agree  Nawal Kramer
1 hr
  -> Thanks, Nawal :-)

agree  Muriel Vasconcellos
2 hrs
  -> Thanks, Muriel :-)

agree  Graciela Silvia Parma
2 hrs
  -> Thanks, Silvia :-)

agree  AllegroTrans
4 hrs
  -> Thanks!

agree  EirTranslations
14 hrs
  -> Thanks!

agree  James A. Walsh
15 hrs
  -> Thanks, James!

agree  neilmac
1 day 29 mins
  -> Thanks, Neil :-)

neutral  Chema Nieto Castañón: Hola Marie, en este caso parece no referirse a una mayoría simple "ajustada" (lean majority; simple majority) sino a una relative majority (una mayoría que no consigue superar el 50% de los votos/de la cámara)//*see Discuss.
2 days 3 hrs
  -> There are different definitions of simple majority (less than half of the total votes cast but more than the minimum required to win, as when there are more than two candidates or choices.) https://www.dictionary.com/browse/simple-majority
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21 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
Bare majority


Explanation:
Please see the link below for use in politics:
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/example/english/bare-majori...

Alina Ionas
Spain
Local time: 04:11
Native speaker of: Romanian

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  AllegroTrans: Wrong connotation
4 hrs

agree  Adrian MM.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majority_rule#cite_note-Logic-... and also closer to the implicit idea of a 'hung parliament'.
1 day 1 hr
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9 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
lean majority


Explanation:
I would say despite the multiple agrees...

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think about it

David Hollywood
Local time: 23:11
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 223
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12 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
A slim majority


Explanation:
Another possibility, commonly used

ormiston
Local time: 04:11
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 16
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2 days 3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
minority government/parliament // winning party without overall majority


Explanation:
This one is tricky. It refers to a winning party (the party with the highest/greater number of representatives ["mayoría"]) that does not have a majority of overall seats (mayoría "en minoría"; mayoría minoritaria). This does not make sense in a two-parties "game" like in the US but it does in Europe. In England they talk about a hung parliament when this happens. You could use minority government/parliament. As the Asker states, a minority majority does not work for it has a fully different meaning; mayoría minoritaria refers to "a winning party without overall majority". Although I am not sure if there is a more succint expression to convey this in English.

In the particular context of the Asker, sus mayorías minoritarias estaban más cerca de la mitad más uno que en anteriores legislaturas; their minority government/parliament was closer to [a lean majority] than in previous parliamentary terms

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Note added at 2 days 3 hrs (2020-11-06 22:12:56 GMT)
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This may be it;

A plurality vote (in the United States) or relative majority (in the United Kingdom and Commonwealth) describes the circumstance when a candidate or proposition polls more votes than any other but does not receive more than half of all votes cast.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plurality_(voting)#:~:text=A...



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Note added at 2 days 3 hrs (2020-11-06 22:16:13 GMT)
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i.e.
... their relative majorities were closer to [lean majorities]...

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Note added at 4 days (2020-11-09 10:35:38 GMT) Post-grading
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Hi Justin, I admit it is confusing and yet I still feel "simple majority" is not right in your context.

For example, on a yes/nay vote, absolute majority implies one option holds more than half of the votes of eligible members while simple majority conveys one option holds more than half of actual votes -disregarding absentees. See here for instance (US): https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https:/...

Also (US), on simple majority rule:
https://study.com/academy/lesson/simple-majority-definition-...

(Australia):
This section clearly refers to a simple majority, that is, a majority (half plus one) of the senators present and voting. A simple majority is distinguished from an absolute majority in the Constitution by the requirement in section 128 (...)
https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Senate/Powers_practi...
(UK):
So there are 639 lawmakers who are considered to be active. That means any government needs 320 votes for a simple majority.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/a...


Now, when more than two candidates are racing, simple majority voting determines the winner will be the candidate with the greatest number of votes.

Simple Majority Voting Issues
For instance, among a pool of four candidates nominated for a single seat, a winner can be determined from who gets the maximum number of votes
https://www.meridiaars.com/sometimes-a-simple-majority-isnt-...


But even here, they refrain from explicitly calling the greatest number of votes a "simple majority". It is only in Indian-English texts and some other translated texts that I have been able to find "simple majority" used with this meaning -other than some online-dictionaries definitions-, while "relative majority" is indeed used this way;


With simple plurality, the winner is the candidate supported by only a relative majority, that is, by a higher number of voters than any other candidate but not requiring any particular number, proportion, or threshold of votes. In practice, this makes it possible for generally binding decisions presumably decided by “majority” to actually be won by only a minority of voters. Plurality rule has traditionally been used in England and the United Kingdom and in modern times in former British colonies, including the United States, Canada, and India. Plurality-based electoral systems are also called first-past-the-post and winner-takes-all systems
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://...

And so this is why I wonder whether "simple majority" could be actually used in your context with that pressumed "secondary" meaning of "simple majority", for I feel it does not make full sense used this way here.

I am sorry anyhow for, as I said before, I might well be misleading you on this, complicating things unnecessarily. What I am certain about is what the Spanish original conveys, and that is not an actual majority (more than half of the votes); in English it seems "simple majority" could be used to convey this meaning of a less-than-half-of-the-votes majority -as per some dictionary definitions- but having found not a single example where it is used as such, well, I feel like Thomas: bring hither thy hand, and put it into my side. Again, sorry about that ;)


Chema Nieto Castañón
Spain
Local time: 04:11
Native speaker of: Native in SpanishSpanish
PRO pts in category: 16
Grading comment
Despite the multiple agrees on "simple majority", it is incorrect and this seems to be the best solution
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