para lo cual

English translation: and to do that/for which

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Spanish term or phrase:	para lo cual
English translation:	and to do that/for which

11:08 Jun 23, 2014

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Tech/Engineering - Computers: Systems, Networks / Java

Spanish term or phrase: para lo cual

I have another doubt for the translation of -para lo cual- in this sentence:

Que no exista indica que se debe iniciar la conversación, para lo cual se crea una sesión, se opera con ella y se envía en la sesión HTTP.

So far, I've gone with a sentence I'm not too convinced about and which goes like this:

If it doesn't exist, this means that you need to create a conversation for which you'll need to create a session, run it and send it to the HTTP session.

Any comments, suggestions?

Thanks!

Tayssir Azouz KudoZ activity Questions: 17 (4 open) (2 without valid answers) Answers: 8 Spain
Local time: 08:27

and to do that

Explanation:
"Para lo cual" means "for which purpose", that is, in order to start a conversation. "For which" is not out of the question, but it's a little bit stiff, and also it's ambiguous in principle; "which" seems to refer to "conversation", but that would be "para la cual"; "lo cual" has to refer to the fact of doing it.

I think "and to do that" (or "to do so", if you prefer) sounds reasonably natural and expresses the meaning.

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Charles Davis
Spain
Local time: 08:27

Grading comment

Thanks for your help Charles! Good call!
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Summary of answers provided

and to do that

Charles Davis

3 +1

and so / and therefore ,,,,,etc.

Neil Ashby

for which

Candace Holt Ryan

to which end

neilmac

Discussion entries: 2

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27 mins confidence:

and to do that

Charles Davis
Spain
Local time: 08:27
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Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 8

Grading comment

Thanks for your help Charles! Good call!

Notes to answerer

Asker: I agree with you Charles. I think that "for which" is too sustained for this type of texts. Thank you very much for your input and help!

16 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

and so / and therefore ,,,,,etc.

Explanation:
Plenty of options...
and so/therefore a [new] session should be/is created .....

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Note added at 17 mins (2014-06-23 11:26:22 GMT)
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There is no indication that a conversation must be started and so/therefore a [new] session is/should be created....

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Note added at 1 hr (2014-06-23 12:09:14 GMT)
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Tayssir, I originally started writing "IF there is no indication......" but it wouldn't have fitted with my suggestion, and then I thought but where is the subjunctive "indica" it is not..... and so I changed to "There is....."
Looking more closely, "exista" provides the subjunctive, and so/therefore (;@)) "IF....... " is correct, meaning my option wouldn't work (as yourself and James have pointed out).

Anyway you have your own suggestion or that of Charles (who is invariably spot on) so I'm sure you'll be okay :@)

Neil Ashby
Spain
Local time: 08:27
Meets criteria
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 4

Notes to answerer

Asker: Thanks for your input Neil. However, I think that the verb "indica" means that the latter must be done "IF" a conversation is to be initiated. Otherwise, your suggestions are pretty good! Thanks again!

Asker: Thank you very much for you extensive feedback Neil! Best wishes!

2 hrs confidence:

for which

Explanation:
Ï would translate "Que" here into English as "The fact that". I also think that "for which" is just fine.

"The fact that it doesn't exist indicates that a conversation should be initiated, for which you create a session, operate within it ..."

Candace Holt Ryan
United States
Local time: 23:27
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Native speaker of:

English

2 hrs confidence:

to which end

Explanation:
This is a formal option. It should work in your context. Some may not like it...

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Note added at 2 hrs (2014-06-23 14:06:20 GMT)
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You might consider splitting it into 2 sentences: "Que no exista indica que se debe iniciar la conversación, para lo cual se crea una sesión..." ->
"If there isn't one, it means that we must start the conversation. To this end (= to do so), we create a session...."

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Note added at 3 hrs (2014-06-23 14:09:39 GMT)
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I'd avoid repeating "exist" here, as it's not a philosophy class and the Spanish merely refers to the presence or absence of something rather than its "existence" per se.

https://www.google.co.uk/#q=%22to+which+end%22

neilmac
Spain
Local time: 08:27
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Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 78

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