trentino y viñolesco

English translation: Tridentine and Vignolesque

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Spanish term or phrase:trentino y viñolesco
English translation:Tridentine and Vignolesque
Entered by: Linda Grabner

21:04 Jul 7, 2019
Spanish to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - Architecture
Spanish term or phrase: trentino y viñolesco
I am translating an academic article from peninsular Spanish to American English on Spanish Renaissance architecture. The author offers a list of adjectives used in the field, and two of them are trentino and viñolesco. I haven't been able to find the words themselves, let alone the nouns they derive from, so I really have no idea how to direct my search. I suspect that trentino is the adjective for "from Trento, Italy", but have been unable to find any demonyms for that, so I was planning on just going with Trentino, unless anyone has any better ideas (or corrects my suspicion).

Here's the context:

Tampoco ha existido, a lo largo de la construcción de esta historia, unanimidad a la hora de fijar la terminología más adecuada para definir los fenómenos que se sucedieron y, al mismo tiempo, convivieron durante esta centuria; una pléyade de términos taxonómicos se ha acumulado en nuestra historiografía -renacimiento plateresco, protorrenacimiento, gótico plateresco, estilo ornamentado y estilo desornamentado, purismo, estilo Príncipe Felipe, manierismo, herreriano, escurialense, trentino, viñolesco, clasicismo, protobarroco, etc.

And what I've got so far:

Nor has there been, throughout the construction of this history, unanimity when it comes to setting the most appropriate terminology for defining the phenomena that occurred separately and together during this century; a galaxy of taxonomic terms have accumulated in our historiography: plateresque Renaissance, proto-Renaissance, Gothic plateresque, ornamented style and unornamented style, purism, Prince Philip style, mannerism, Herrerian, Escorialist, Trentino, **viñolesco,** Classicism, proto-Barroque, etc.

Any help MUCH appreciated!
Linda Grabner
United States
Local time: 11:39
Tridentine and Vignolesque
Explanation:
Trentino does refer to Trent (Trento), in Italy, where the Council of Trent was held from 1545-64. It defined the Catholic Church's response to the Protestant Reformation, known as the Counter-Reformation. The adjective is Tridentine, and in Spanish it should really be tridentino too.

José Camón Aznar, "El estilo trentino".
This won't let me copy and paste, but if you search for "trentino" in the article you'll see it refers to the Council and the Counter-Reformation.

"Therefore, Tridentine architecture, particularly through its emphasis on sanctity, martyrdom, and relics, was orchestrated by its claims to temporalise place and to localise time."
http://field-journal.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/h-hills....

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"Viñolesco" refers to the great Italian mannerist architect Giacomo Barozzi da Vignola (1507-73), known particularly for the Villa Farnese and the Church of the Gesù in Rome.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giacomo_Barozzi_da_Vignola

He was also the author of Regla de las cinco órdenes de Architectura, and Juan de Herrera (architect of the Escorial) was inspired by him.

"Serlian windows, Vignolesque cornices, the classical orders"
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=xuo9DwAAQBAJ&pg=PR19&lpg...

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Note added at 1 hr (2019-07-07 22:16:12 GMT)
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I forgot to add the reference for the article on "El estilo trentino":
http://www.cervantesvirtual.com/descargaPdf/el-estilo-trenti...

By the way, I'm distressed to see that I wrote "from 1545-64": this is one of my pet hates. It should be "from 1545 to 1564".

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Note added at 1 hr (2019-07-07 22:18:14 GMT)
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(PS. Be careful with "Baroque": only one r in English.)

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Note added at 11 hrs (2019-07-08 08:12:28 GMT)
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(Tridentine comes from Tridentum, which was the Roman name for Trent. I have never bothered to find out the origin of the name, but apparently it comes from Tri Dentum, three teeth, i.e., trident, as in Neptune, and refers to the three hills around the city. Good old Wikipedia.)
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Charles Davis
Spain
Local time: 17:39
Grading comment
Thanks, Charles, you've saved the day again! I knew, of course, about the history of the Council of Trent, but never made the connection... And Vignolesque I don't think I would have ever found!
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Summary of answers provided
4 +4Tridentine and Vignolesque
Charles Davis
3"trentino" and "viñolesco"
JohnMcDove
Summary of reference entries provided
Estilos trentino/tridentino y viñolesco
Toni Castano

Discussion entries: 2





  

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"trentino" and "viñolesco"


Explanation:
I would leave both terms untranslated, as additional baroque styles

https://www.elpasodelhombre.com/3-pinceladas-barrocas-sevill...

https://books.google.com/books?id=Scv9CwAAQBAJ&pg=PA1397&lpg...

JohnMcDove
United States
Local time: 08:39
Native speaker of: Native in SpanishSpanish
PRO pts in category: 8
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19 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +4
Tridentine and Vignolesque


Explanation:
Trentino does refer to Trent (Trento), in Italy, where the Council of Trent was held from 1545-64. It defined the Catholic Church's response to the Protestant Reformation, known as the Counter-Reformation. The adjective is Tridentine, and in Spanish it should really be tridentino too.

José Camón Aznar, "El estilo trentino".
This won't let me copy and paste, but if you search for "trentino" in the article you'll see it refers to the Council and the Counter-Reformation.

"Therefore, Tridentine architecture, particularly through its emphasis on sanctity, martyrdom, and relics, was orchestrated by its claims to temporalise place and to localise time."
http://field-journal.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/h-hills....

____________

"Viñolesco" refers to the great Italian mannerist architect Giacomo Barozzi da Vignola (1507-73), known particularly for the Villa Farnese and the Church of the Gesù in Rome.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giacomo_Barozzi_da_Vignola

He was also the author of Regla de las cinco órdenes de Architectura, and Juan de Herrera (architect of the Escorial) was inspired by him.

"Serlian windows, Vignolesque cornices, the classical orders"
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=xuo9DwAAQBAJ&pg=PR19&lpg...

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Note added at 1 hr (2019-07-07 22:16:12 GMT)
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I forgot to add the reference for the article on "El estilo trentino":
http://www.cervantesvirtual.com/descargaPdf/el-estilo-trenti...

By the way, I'm distressed to see that I wrote "from 1545-64": this is one of my pet hates. It should be "from 1545 to 1564".

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Note added at 1 hr (2019-07-07 22:18:14 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

(PS. Be careful with "Baroque": only one r in English.)

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Note added at 11 hrs (2019-07-08 08:12:28 GMT)
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(Tridentine comes from Tridentum, which was the Roman name for Trent. I have never bothered to find out the origin of the name, but apparently it comes from Tri Dentum, three teeth, i.e., trident, as in Neptune, and refers to the three hills around the city. Good old Wikipedia.)

Charles Davis
Spain
Local time: 17:39
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 248
Grading comment
Thanks, Charles, you've saved the day again! I knew, of course, about the history of the Council of Trent, but never made the connection... And Vignolesque I don't think I would have ever found!
Notes to answerer
Asker: Oh, and thanks for the reminder on the spelling of Baroque. I didn't catch it here before I submitted my question, but I did in my translation. I kept looking at it, knowing it looked wrong, and finally realized I was seeing too many r's. But the reminder is appreciated all the same.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  JohnMcDove: I got too "focused", while anwering, below, but your solution is definitely better. (And already in use...) ¡Saludos!
14 mins
  -> Many thanks, John ;-) ¡Saludos!

agree  Toni Castano: Correct. "Trentino" or "tridentino", both are used in Spanish.
48 mins
  -> Thanks, Toni! Yes, you're right, "trentino" is correct (but I've never seen "Trentine" in English).

agree  Muriel Vasconcellos: You beat me to it!
1 hr
  -> Many thanks, Muriel :-)

agree  neilmac
10 hrs
  -> Cheers, Neil :-)
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Reference comments


1 hr
Reference: Estilos trentino/tridentino y viñolesco

Reference information:
La arquitectura en el otoño del Renacimiento: Juan de Naveda 1590-1638

https://books.google.es/books?id=DEPOEP975DsC&pg=PA17&lpg=PA...

Toni Castano
Spain
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