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French term
en pivot
French to English
Medical
Medical (general)
This is a text detailing how ankle instability ("instabilité de cheville") is diagnosed and treated.
"Une fois le diagnostic confirmé, un traitement est mis en place. Celui-ci repose essentiellement sur une réeducation au long cours de la cheville. Il s'agit d'améliorer la stabilité de l'articulation en renforcant les autres élements de la cheville. Ce programme s'étale sur plusieurs semaines puis la reprise sportive se fait de manière progressive en réintroduisant les sports en pivot en dernier. Ce traitement va permettre de satisfaire la plupart des patients. Toutefois la notion de succès de la réeducation est hautement subjective et va dépendre de l'importance de l'instabilité et des attentes de chaque personne ; ainsi un handballeur serait susceptible d'être déçu par des résultats qui satisferont un randonneur occasionnel."
Does it just mean sports that involve the ankle joint rotating excessively?
"Une fois le diagnostic confirmé, un traitement est mis en place. Celui-ci repose essentiellement sur une réeducation au long cours de la cheville. Il s'agit d'améliorer la stabilité de l'articulation en renforcant les autres élements de la cheville. Ce programme s'étale sur plusieurs semaines puis la reprise sportive se fait de manière progressive en réintroduisant les sports en pivot en dernier. Ce traitement va permettre de satisfaire la plupart des patients. Toutefois la notion de succès de la réeducation est hautement subjective et va dépendre de l'importance de l'instabilité et des attentes de chaque personne ; ainsi un handballeur serait susceptible d'être déçu par des résultats qui satisferont un randonneur occasionnel."
Does it just mean sports that involve the ankle joint rotating excessively?
Proposed translations
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4 +1 | active sports including tennis, volleyball, ski, danse, badminton and gymnastics | Annette Fehr |
3 | pivot sports | Bourth |
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French term (edited):
sports en pivot
active sports including tennis, volleyball, ski, danse, badminton and gymnastics
In France there's a sports category called sports de pivot which includes tennis, volleyball, ski, danse, badminton and gymnastics; and another category called sports de pivot-contact which includes rugby, soccer, basketball, handball and martial arts.
In the English-speaking world, sports are categorized differently according to different institutions, such as the Global Association of International Sports Federations or the World Sports Encyclopedia and can include many categories. As far as I know, I haven't encountered any similar categories in English as the sports de pivot category in French. As far as physical therapy in the English language is concerned, as far as I know, types of injuries are categorized, rather than types of sport.
So, it seems to me that this term is a classic case of French-English category mismatch, where there's a category that exists in France that simply doesn't exist in the English language. Eagles are a great example of this problem because the Bald Eagle of American fame isn't even an eagle at all in French, but a Pygargue and is part of a category which includes piscivorous birds of prey.
Whenever I encounter a problem like this, I go to the root of the matter and list at least some of the items included in the French category, rather than invent an English category that doesn't, in fact, exist.
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In the English-speaking world, sports are categorized differently according to different institutions, such as the Global Association of International Sports Federations or the World Sports Encyclopedia and can include many categories. As far as I know, I haven't encountered any similar categories in English as the sports de pivot category in French. As far as physical therapy in the English language is concerned, as far as I know, types of injuries are categorized, rather than types of sport.
So, it seems to me that this term is a classic case of French-English category mismatch, where there's a category that exists in France that simply doesn't exist in the English language. Eagles are a great example of this problem because the Bald Eagle of American fame isn't even an eagle at all in French, but a Pygargue and is part of a category which includes piscivorous birds of prey.
Whenever I encounter a problem like this, I go to the root of the matter and list at least some of the items included in the French category, rather than invent an English category that doesn't, in fact, exist.
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philgoddard
: You're right that this distinction doesn't really exist in English. You could simply say sports, or vigorous exercise, bearing in mind that 'sport' in French can also mean exercise.
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Right, I think it's important not to get hung up on literal translations.
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pivot sports
There's definitely a case to be had for 'pivot sports', which can be found in 'genuine English' as well as French-related texts.
First, some background:
"addition of LET enabled a larger subset of patients to return to strenuous, high pivot-shift sports such as skiing, soccer, and football"
By Yunhe Mao, MD,* Kaibo Zhang, MD,* Jian Li, MD,* and Weili Fu, MD*†, in the Orthopaedic Journal of Sports Medicine
"that’s the reason because is very difficult come back to competition before than four months, especially in the pivot-shift sports."
BY Fulvio Stradijot, in the British Journal of Sports Medicine
"The pivot shift is a symptom and sign of anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) and lateral and posterolateral capsular deficiency of the knee. Either a subluxation or reduction, or both in rapid succession, plus a simultaneous impingement of the lateral compartment of the knee causes a pivot shift."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/6822004/#:~:text=The pivot s...
'Pivot shift' therefore relates specifically to the knee, but questions have been raised about its relationship with the ankle (your case) too:
"The ankle syndesmosis pivot shift “Are we reviving the ACL story?” […] there is a growing interest for the high ankle sprain with emerging evidence on biomechanical behavior, function, injury, and treatment. Interpretation of emerging publications on the distal tibiofibular syndesmosis may raise questions about striking similarities with the anterior cruciate ligament function and pivot-shift mechanism of injury in the knee.
Examples of 'pivot sports':
"Acute tears result from any activity that forcefully twists or rotates the knee. Athletes who play high-demand, stop-and-go pivot sports are most vulnerable."
https://www.orthovirginia.com/meniscal-tear-of-the-knee/
"Acute knee injuries are more common due to trauma to the knee, and in particular in our sporting twisting pivot sports with suspected ACL tears."
https://www.physiowaterford.ie/index.php/conditions-treated/...
"Athletes who participate in low-impact, non-pivot sports—like bicycling or swimming—may be able to continue their sport without having their ACL tear surgically reconstructed"
https://www.healthychildren.org/English/health-issues/injuri...
"they also found that women who play so-called pivot sports - like basketball, netball, volleyball and soccer - are more likely to hurt their knees than either male athletes or other women whose sports don't involve pivoting."
https://www.news24.com/life/wellness/body/condition-centres/...
Also, https://www.ors.org/transactions/47/0071.pdf - same authors, E. Wojtys et al., Uni. of Michigan
"88% of people age
First, some background:
"addition of LET enabled a larger subset of patients to return to strenuous, high pivot-shift sports such as skiing, soccer, and football"
By Yunhe Mao, MD,* Kaibo Zhang, MD,* Jian Li, MD,* and Weili Fu, MD*†, in the Orthopaedic Journal of Sports Medicine
"that’s the reason because is very difficult come back to competition before than four months, especially in the pivot-shift sports."
BY Fulvio Stradijot, in the British Journal of Sports Medicine
"The pivot shift is a symptom and sign of anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) and lateral and posterolateral capsular deficiency of the knee. Either a subluxation or reduction, or both in rapid succession, plus a simultaneous impingement of the lateral compartment of the knee causes a pivot shift."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/6822004/#:~:text=The pivot s...
'Pivot shift' therefore relates specifically to the knee, but questions have been raised about its relationship with the ankle (your case) too:
"The ankle syndesmosis pivot shift “Are we reviving the ACL story?” […] there is a growing interest for the high ankle sprain with emerging evidence on biomechanical behavior, function, injury, and treatment. Interpretation of emerging publications on the distal tibiofibular syndesmosis may raise questions about striking similarities with the anterior cruciate ligament function and pivot-shift mechanism of injury in the knee.
Examples of 'pivot sports':
"Acute tears result from any activity that forcefully twists or rotates the knee. Athletes who play high-demand, stop-and-go pivot sports are most vulnerable."
https://www.orthovirginia.com/meniscal-tear-of-the-knee/
"Acute knee injuries are more common due to trauma to the knee, and in particular in our sporting twisting pivot sports with suspected ACL tears."
https://www.physiowaterford.ie/index.php/conditions-treated/...
"Athletes who participate in low-impact, non-pivot sports—like bicycling or swimming—may be able to continue their sport without having their ACL tear surgically reconstructed"
https://www.healthychildren.org/English/health-issues/injuri...
"they also found that women who play so-called pivot sports - like basketball, netball, volleyball and soccer - are more likely to hurt their knees than either male athletes or other women whose sports don't involve pivoting."
https://www.news24.com/life/wellness/body/condition-centres/...
Also, https://www.ors.org/transactions/47/0071.pdf - same authors, E. Wojtys et al., Uni. of Michigan
"88% of people age
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Reference:
see
ACL Surgery UK - National Ligament Registry
uknlr.co.uk
https://www.uknlr.co.uk › acl-surgery
It is hard to get back to *****pivoting type sports***** without a good ACL. In addition, repeated buckling or giving way of the knee can lead to secondary damage of the ...
uknlr.co.uk
https://www.uknlr.co.uk › acl-surgery
It is hard to get back to *****pivoting type sports***** without a good ACL. In addition, repeated buckling or giving way of the knee can lead to secondary damage of the ...
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