Western Americas

German translation: US and Canada

17:50 Sep 11, 2012

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Bus/Financial - Geography / global markets

English term or phrase: Western Americas

Es geht um die geografische Verteilung des globalen Markts für eine Produktgruppe (Powerpoint mit Notizen):

If we then move to consider the same $400Bn market by territory, then what we see today is that the global XXX market is really split 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 across the Western Americas, Europe and the Asia/Oceania and Middle East & African markets. This picture looks very different from even 10 years ago where the red portion of the pie chart would have represented more like 25% of the picture and reflects the massive growth we’ve seen in China, India and so forth.

Der "pie" verteilt sich in 4 Segmente:
Western Americas 27%
Europe 34%
Asia, Oceania & MEAF 34%
South & Central America 5%

Die "red portion" ist Asia, Oceania & MEAF

Der Begriff "Western Americas" scheint nicht sehr geläufig zu sein und steht manchmal wohl auch als "weißes Amerika" gegen "native America", was aber hier wohl nicht gemeint ist.
Im Prinzip geht es natürlich um Nordamerika, weil Mittel- und Südamerika werden ja getrennt erwähnt. Aber die Drittelung geht eigentlich nur auf, wenn die beiden Kreissegmente Western America mit 27% und Süd- und Mittelamerika mit 5% addiert werden zu 32%, wenn ich das jetzt ohne Excel richtig gerechnet habe.
"Die westlichen USA" können es aus dem Kontext heraus auf keinen Fall sein.

Wir würdet Ihr dieses "Western America" übersetzen? Einfach als Nordamerika?

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German translation:US and Canada

Explanation:
Guess based on the pie itself. The whole world is included except for these two countries, so don't see how it could mean the Western parts of the US and/or Canada, without mentioning the Easten Americas separately.

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After a bit of googling I've come to the conclusion that there is no authoritative definition of this term. Therefore, perhaps North America is your safest bet.

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Another argument against the Western United States is that South and Cental America are listed as separate entities, so it seems illogical that they would be split into W. and E. Central and South America.

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Jonathan MacKerron

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Inzwischen habe ich eine weitere PowerPoint-Präsentation desselben Kunden zu diesem Thema bearbeitet und dort heißt es im selben Chart "North America". Ich gehe deshalb davon aus, dass dieses "Western" ein Irrtum war.
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US and Canada

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Western United States

Nicole Schnell

Discussion entries: 14

Expertlang

06:23 Sep 12, 2012

Nordamerika passt schon ...

opolt

Germany

@Coqueiro

19:38 Sep 11, 2012

Kleines Update:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/alphadesigner/5124506190/lightb...

8-E

Jonathan MacKerron

with Coqueiro

19:29 Sep 11, 2012

I think the term was simply a bad choice by the author, who appears to be a non-native speaker. Found several googles from China referring to the Western Americas, but on closer perusal North America was actually meant.

Coqueiro

mir

19:27 Sep 11, 2012

scheint das im AT ein falsch verwendeter Begriff zu sein. Vielleicht hatte der Autor ja denselben Erdkundelehrer wie dieser Staatsmann?
http://tinyurl.com/ybxn8un

Nicole Schnell

United States

Das scheint synonym verwendet zu werden

18:42 Sep 11, 2012

Hier ein Beispiel für Palomar Technologies:
Die nennen das Eastern Americas, die Headline der Seite lautet "Eastern North America", desgleichen für Western Americas und Western North America. Ob die die amerikanischen Territorien (die nicht zu den 50 Staaten zählen) in ihre Verkaufsgebiete mit einbeziehen, kann ich nicht sagen.

http://www.palomartechnologies.com/about-us/management-team/...

Daniel Gebauer

Spain

ASKER

This is not strictly about geography but

18:37 Sep 11, 2012

geographical markets. The product is packaging and the group is based in the UK with UK being their largest market. The "author" under "Details" in the Powerpoint file doesn't reveal anything about his/her origin. But do you think this is Oxford English: "... would have represented more like 25% of the picture ..."? Sounds a bit German to me.
But anyhow, there are about 36k ghits for "Western Americas", so it is real ...

Johanna Timm, PhD

Canada

mit Jonathan and Coqueiro

18:27 Sep 11, 2012

westliches Nordamerika (also „Western United States“+ die kanadischen Provinzen BC, Alberta, Yukon) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_United_States

opolt

Germany

That was my thought exactly, Ramey ...

18:27 Sep 11, 2012

... "the Americas" = "all/both of them".

Then again, the US is a continent in itself (Hawaii etc excluded -- or not). ;-]

At any rate, in such a case, the nationality of the author would be an important detail to know, of course.

Ramey Rieger (X)

Germany

It is more than odd

18:22 Sep 11, 2012

that the plural is used, as the Americas include both North and South. But at a stretch, it could also be a mis-translation from German, ergo genetive. Depending on the product, of course, I would agree with Jonathan, US and Canada - but still, the plural doesn't make sense.

Coqueiro

as a continent

18:20 Sep 11, 2012

Northern America includes Central America (which isn't a continent by itself), so I'm with Jonathan: Western America = US + Canada.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continent

Jonathan MacKerron

That is my point

18:00 Sep 11, 2012

perhaps Western Americas is used purposely here to express the US and Canada, as opposed to North America, which geographically at least, always includes Mexico. Particularly in the sphere of global economics, Mexico would probably not be included in a group with its two brothers to the north.

opolt

Germany

Interesting, or strange ...

17:59 Sep 11, 2012

... of even weird choice of words, depending on how you view it :-] But I mean, with "South and Central America" being mentioned as one of the categories, it's quite clear what they mean, isn't it. Only that personally I wouldn't include Mexico in the latter, in this particular case. One can't be sure though.

Daniel Gebauer

Spain

ASKER

@ Jonathan

17:57 Sep 11, 2012

well, according to my experience Mexico is usually considered as North America, the Chiapas & Yucatan regions in Central America would be mentally integrated.

Jonathan MacKerron

perhaps denotes North America

17:54 Sep 11, 2012

without Mexico??

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western americas

US and Canada

Jonathan MacKerron
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28 mins

Reference: Western United States

Reference information:
Mit Landkarte:

Regional definitions vary from source to source. As defined by the Census Bureau, the western United States includes 13 states: Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, Oregon, Utah, Washington, and Wyoming. In turn, this region is sub-divided into Mountain and Pacific areas. The states in light red, particularly the Plains States, are sometimes considered "western", although they are often grouped with separate regions such as the Midwest and the South.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_United_States

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Nachtrag:

Ich nehme an, dass in Western Americas die amerikanischen Territories mit einbezogen sind, die zwar zu Amiland gehören, aber nicht Teil der USA sind.

Nicole Schnell
United States
Native speaker of:

German
PRO pts in category: 4

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Asker: Danke Nicole!

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