"Live-in" requirement

French translation: l\'exigence de \'\'logement à domicile\'\'

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English term or phrase:\"Live-in\" requirement
French translation:l\'exigence de \'\'logement à domicile\'\'
Entered by: Laurent Di Raimondo

20:16 Jan 3, 2021
English to French translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Government / Politics
English term or phrase: "Live-in" requirement
Dear Colleagues,

It's about an official report from an Asian State about its current immigration workforce local policy. Here is the context :

"The "live-in" requirement forms the cornerstone of the Government's policy of importing migrant workers. As in many other jurisdictions in the world, it has been the Government’s established policy that priority in employment should be given to the local workforce, and importation of workers should only be allowed where there is confirmed manpower shortage in a particular trade that cannot be filled by local workers. Based on this principle, migrant workers have been imported since the early 1970s to meet the shortfall of local "live-in" domestic workers. Given that there is no shortage in the supply of local non-"live-in" domestic workers, any change to the "live-in requirement" will go against the rationale for importing migrant workers and the fundamental policy that local employees should enjoy priority in employment."

I cannot manage to catch the meaning of the expression "Live-in" requirement within the current context.

Your collaborative help would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks !
Laurent Di Raimondo
France
Local time: 16:01
l'exigence de ''logement à domicile''
Explanation:
This is an attempt to reflect accurately both the structure and the meaning of ''live-in''. In some Asian countries, the regulations stipulate that seekers of home service labor provide accommodation to domestic workers in the same household or in an extension of the house where they are supposed to work.
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Saeed Najmi
Morocco
Local time: 15:01
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Summary of answers provided
4 +4exigence "de résidence"
Marielle Akamatsu
4 +4l'exigence de ''logement à domicile''
Saeed Najmi
4 +1Exige d’etre logés chez l’employeur
Nathalie Beaudelot
4obligation de loger chez la famille
Daryo
4 -2l'exigence d'aide familial, d'aide à domicile
Johanne Farmer
4 -2la préférence nationale en matière d’emploi
Francois Boye
3 -2des exigences en matière du logement
Lisa Rosengard
Summary of reference entries provided
''live-in'' domestic workforce
Saeed Najmi

Discussion entries: 5





  

Answers


46 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): -2
l'exigence d'aide familial, d'aide à domicile


Explanation:
Found this similar denomination in Citizenship and Immigration Canada:
The Live-in Caregiver Program: Information for employers and live-in caregivers from abroad
Le programme concernant les aides familiaux résidants : renseignements à l'intention des employeurs et des aides familiaux résidants étrangers

Example sentence(s):
  • l'exigence du programme d'aide familial / l'exigence du programme d'aide

    https://www.btb.termiumplus.gc.ca/tpv2alpha/alpha-eng.html?lang=eng&i=1&srchtxt=LIVE-IN+CAREGIVER+PROGRAM+INFORMATION+EMPLOYERS+LIVE-IN+CARE
    Reference: http://gdt.oqlf.gouv.qc.ca/ficheOqlf.aspx?Id_Fiche=8425480
Johanne Farmer
Canada
Local time: 11:01
Native speaker of: French

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Sheila Wilson: This doesn't translate the specific term. But it is there: résidants
17 hrs

disagree  AllegroTrans: This fails to translate the specific "live-in" requirement
19 hrs

disagree  Daryo: you turned it completely upside down - you make it sound as if some families are required by law to have domestic help - which is BTW true in some countries in some cases, but this ST has nothing to do with **that** kind of "requirement".
1 day 4 hrs
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12 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
Exige d’etre logés chez l’employeur


Explanation:
Main-d’oeuvre ménagère résidant chez l’employeur

Nathalie Beaudelot
Ireland
Local time: 15:01
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Sheila Wilson
5 hrs

neutral  Francois Boye: Which Asian state are you talking about?
7 hrs

neutral  Daryo: correct but needs to be formulated in a different way.
17 hrs
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12 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +4
"live-in" requirement
exigence "de résidence"


Explanation:
cf.
"It recommends removing the live-in requirement [...]" -> " Il recommande de révoquer l’exigence de résidence " dans :
https://www.ourcommons.ca/DocumentViewer/en/40-2/CIMM/report...
https://www.noscommunes.ca/DocumentViewer/fr/40-2/CIMM/rappo...

NB : =


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NB : = exigence pour les travailleurs d'habiter sur le lieu de travail, à la résidence de l’employeur ou dans des logements loués par ce dernier

Marielle Akamatsu
France
Local time: 16:01
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 4
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thank you Marielle ! I would opt for your proposed translation as well, which approaches the context the most.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Renate Radziwill-Rall
1 hr
  -> Merci !

agree  Sheila Wilson
5 hrs
  -> Merci !

agree  Yvonne Gallagher: I think this is the best translation and explanation esp. "exigence pour les travailleurs d'habiter sur le lieu de travail, à la résidence de l’employeur ou dans des logements loués par ce dernier"
6 hrs
  -> Merci !

neutral  Francois Boye: Is the Asian state in question Canada?
7 hrs
  -> I think that the notion of "live-in requirement" does not depend on the country where it is used.

agree  AllegroTrans
7 hrs
  -> Merci !
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13 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +4
"live-in" requirement
l'exigence de ''logement à domicile''


Explanation:
This is an attempt to reflect accurately both the structure and the meaning of ''live-in''. In some Asian countries, the regulations stipulate that seekers of home service labor provide accommodation to domestic workers in the same household or in an extension of the house where they are supposed to work.

Saeed Najmi
Morocco
Local time: 15:01
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in ArabicArabic, Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 12
Grading comment
I sincerely thank all of you for your rich and documented contributions.
Notes to answerer
Asker: Dear Saeed, I think Marielle and you are very close to the context. What do you think about this proposed translation : "Obligation de résider chez l’employeur" ?

Asker: Merci pour ton témoignage, Amélie. Je partage exactement ton analyse.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Sheila Wilson
4 hrs

agree  Yvonne Gallagher: note that the employee may not be living in the main residence but elsewhere on property. Also, of course, not necessarily Asian or foreign
6 hrs

neutral  Francois Boye: Which Asian countries?
6 hrs

agree  AllegroTrans
7 hrs

agree  Amelie Mouton: Bonjour, je vis dans un pays asiatique où il y a une distinction entre domestiques live-in and live-out, les live-in étant effectivement ceux qui vivent au domicile de l'employeur. Donc cette suggestion me paraît très bonne.
8 hrs

neutral  Daryo: your explanation is wrong - "live-in" help exists also elsewhere, not only in Asia - there are plenty of people working as "live-in" help in London, many are NOT foreign nationals.
16 hrs
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4 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): -2
"live-in" requirement
la préférence nationale en matière d’emploi


Explanation:
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Préférence_nationale

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Note added at 19 hrs (2021-01-04 15:37:58 GMT)
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The 'live-in requirement' underpins the long-established Government policy that priority in employment should be given to the local workforce and importation of foreign workers should only be allowed when there is proven manpower shortage in specific trades that cannot be filled by local workers.

Government welcomes Court of First Instance judgment on ...
www.info.gov.hk/gia/general/201802/14/P2018021400770.htm
www.info.gov.hk/gia/general/201802/14/P2018021400770.htm

Francois Boye
United States
Local time: 11:01
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 10

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  AllegroTrans: This fails to translate the specific "live-in" requirement // that doesn't mean you can simply omit the concept and replace it with another one // no "evidence" is needed, just a straightforward translation
15 hrs
  -> Asker said that his text related to an Asian state. //I have produced the evidence of 'live-in' requirement in Hong-Kong.//Have you produced any evidence from Asia?

disagree  Daryo: may well be a connection between the two ***in this text*** but these are two separate concepts // your "evidence" is from the case in the next-door courtroom ... doesn't "prove" nothing that would be relevant for this case!
17 hrs
  -> Asker said that his text related to an Asian state. //I have produced the evidence of 'live-in' requirement in Hong-Kong.//Have you produced any evidence from Asia?
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1 day 5 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
"live-in" requirement
obligation de loger chez la famille


Explanation:
obligation de loger avec la famille ?

the "live-in" requirement is always about domestic help of one kind or another living in the private residence of their employer.

What is meant by live in?
The definition of live in is someone who resides in your home with you permanently or on a full time basis. An example of a live in housekeeper is someone who has a room where she sleeps in your home and who stays there on a permanent basis.

https://www.yourdictionary.com/live-in

IOW the definition of "live-in" domestic help has nothing to do with the country being Asian or not, nor it will be different just because it's mentioned in some immigration policy.

Daryo
United Kingdom
Local time: 15:01
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Native speaker of: Native in SerbianSerbian, Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 17
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11 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): -2
"live-in" requirement
des exigences en matière du logement


Explanation:
I believe it's a question on the existence of a possible necessity to invite a few workers from abroad to come and work to help in the domestic capacity surrounding a few households who may have specific requirements in connection with accommodation. The question is whether such a necessity exists or not, and if there are already people who could help in the same locality.

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Note added at 3 days 16 hrs (2021-01-07 12:53:59 GMT) Post-grading
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If there are foreigners who wish to stay in another country and who don't have means to find a place of residence they have their own domestic requirements. In former times there was an arrangement of 'au-pairs' whereby individuals could be considered as an additional part of a family. They would stay in a family's spare room during school holidays, when they could help look after children while their parents would be out at work.

(S'il y a des étrangers qui veulent rester dans un autre pays, et qui n'ont pas les moyens de trouver de la résidence, elles peuvent avoir besoin d'un domicile. Au passé il y avait un accord des aux-pairs dont de nouvelles arrivées pouvaient être considérées comme une partie additionnelle d'une famille. Elles pouvaient rester chacune dans la chambre libre chez une famille pendant les gran vacances, lorsqu'elles pouvaient aider à soigner des enfants quand leurs parents étaient au travail dehors de la maison.)

Example sentence(s):
  • Je crois qu'il s'agit d'une question sur la nécessité possible d'inviter à quelques travailleurs de l'étranger à travailler pour aider dans le domicile de quelques-uns qui ont des exigences en matière de logement.
  • La question est sur s'il y a une telle nécessité ou non pas, et s'il y a déjà des personnes dans la même voisinité qui pourraient aider.
Lisa Rosengard
United Kingdom
Local time: 15:01
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  AllegroTrans: This fails to translate the specific "live-in" requirement
8 hrs

disagree  Daryo: too vague
9 hrs
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Reference comments


1 hr peer agreement (net): -1
Reference: ''live-in'' domestic workforce

Reference information:
Hi,
It is my understanding that the phrase at hand refers to foreign nationals who are hired, commonly by families, to provide services such as home support for children, seniors, people with disabilities or home services such as cooking and cleaning etc... The labor laws seem to require that they be offered accomodation on site. This is common practice in some Asian countries, particularly in the Middle-East.

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http://www.ilo.org/wcmsp5/groups/public/@ed_protect/@protrav...

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Note added at 2 hrs (2021-01-03 22:19:06 GMT)
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You may also check http://www.ilo.org/wcmsp5/groups/public/@ed_protect/@protrav...

Example sentence(s):
  • The Live-in Caregiver Program (LCP)

    Reference: http://https://www.canadim.com/blog/live-in-caregiver-2017-u...
Saeed Najmi
Morocco
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in ArabicArabic, Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 12

Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
neutral  Yvonne Gallagher: It doesn't have to be foreign employess, nor be Asian couniries as live-in help is possible everywhere. But this not reason to disagree with main point that an employee is living in employer's property and not necessarily the main residence either
18 hrs
neutral  Francois Boye: See Hong Kong's definition of 'live-in' requirement.
18 hrs
disagree  Daryo: the concept of "live-in" help has nothing to do with the domestic help being foreign nationals or not - nor is limited to Asia // you are confusing the general definition of a term with the specifics of this ST.
1 day 4 hrs
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