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Dec 28, 2020 19:09
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English term

pot

English to French Tech/Engineering Engineering (general) Heating cables for snow/ice melting
Can't find the right term for this component.

Example:

Install the cold lead “pot” so that it extends about 2 in (5 cm) above the bottom of the junction box.
During installation, protect tails from breaking where they emerge from brass pot by taping over tails and pot with electrical tape.
Proposed translations (French)
4 Bocal
4 -1 (un) potentiomètre

Discussion

Sanjin Grandić Jan 4, 2021:
De rien Quel travail pour laisser le "même" terme en fin de compte -:)
Beatrice Hercend (asker) Jan 4, 2021:
Thank you! Sorry for not participating earlier (I had no notification of the discussion and thought there was no answer to my question). I finally used "pot" in French, though it does not seem right to me, but could not find anything else. Thank you again and happy New Year!
Sanjin Grandić Jan 3, 2021:
@Tony you said "OK! That seems then to conclusively prove it is some kind of physical 'pot' made of brass" and you were right->I found "Surface Snow Melting – MI Installation and Operation Manualwww.accontrols.com › assets › docs › Mineral Insulated...
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Figure 7: Positioning hot/cold joints. • During installation, protect tails from breaking where they emerge from brass pot by taping over tails and pot with electrical ...-You can see on the images on the link I found yesterday. If you ask me. Also as you said "physical 'pot' made of brass,I think that the best matching translation into French in that case is "Pot", tout simplement. Le terme bocal n appartient pas au domaine de l'électricité. Alors il nous reste un pot-_) That is, if you don't have any alternate translations. I know that you don't have much time to do the research, I have a bit more time and I searched a little more on the Web but all I could find leads to "pot" in CheersFrench. i.e. recipient
Sanjin Grandić Jan 2, 2021:
@Tony Thank you for your kind words, Sir. -:) You are right, time is a precious commodity. Nevertheless, I am having a good time when discussing "tough" terms with fellow linguists, it is kind of socializing during these Covid times, so to speak.
Tony M Jan 2, 2021:
@ Sanjin Well done!
I think this kind of pot is actually called a 'pot' in FR too — don't have time now to research MI cables in FR, but I'll wager they use the same term here.
Sanjin Grandić Jan 2, 2021:
@Tony I know. That is why I played a private investigator to find the source text. -:)
I was curious myself what the hell was that pot. Doesn't matter if I am wrong or right, that is just "ego-tripping", what matters is that we are one step closer to the right answer if you ask me. Still, I am not happy with the bocal as an answer either. Do you have any ideas? Now that we know the broader content, we know exactly what kind of electrical system it is and you were right about the potentiometer (it could only, in theory, regulate the temperature of the heating cables but the place is apparently wrong). How would you translate "pot" now that you know the context and the deadline is in 47 minutes -:)))

"cold lead pot "??? is it lead or lead?-:)
Tony M Jan 2, 2021:
@ Sanjin OK! That seems then to conclusively prove it is some kind of physical 'pot' made of brass, rather than a potentiometer.

'Pots' are indeed used when terminating MI cables — THAT was the key context we needed!
Sanjin Grandić Jan 2, 2021:
@Tony-context found!! Figure 7: Positioning hot/cold joints
• During installation, protect tails from breaking where
they emerge from brass pot by taping over tails and pot
with electrical tape.
• Do not bend the heating cable or cold lead within 6 in
(15 cm) of a splice, the hot/cold joint, or the end cap....

http://www.accontrols.com/assets/docs/Pentair Thermal-Rayche...

Just use ctrl+F "pot"
Sanjin Grandić Dec 31, 2020:
Je veux la reponse @asker please. Il faudrait moderer differement les questions avec un manque de contexte - quand on pose la question le programme devrait demander automatiquement un peu plus de contexte tout n est pas si secret que ca sans donner qques phrases avan et apres le terme que l on cherche a traduire
Sanjin Grandić Dec 31, 2020:
@Tony I am less in this for the points than for the fun of it and helping out a fellow translator. I have always been attracted by linguistic quizzes and questions in general and Kudos is the perfect place to always learn a bit more and "stay in shape as a linguist". And yes, happy new year to ALL Proz members and future members and fellow translators, interpreters, subtitlers....a PROSPEROUS 2021!!!
Tony M Dec 31, 2020:
@ Sanjin I'm happy to say I am most emphatically NOT in this for points!
My sole motivation is helping and being helped by peers — and the intellectual stimulation I get from these questions!
And a very Happy New Year to you too, and to all our colleagues on ProZ.com!
Sanjin Grandić Dec 31, 2020:
@Tony -:) You are right, some are impatient and some get scared with the terminology and then they start asking even obvious questions and some even never reply. As far as I am concerned I am in this for points like all of us but also because the Kudos questions are the ultimate crossword for a linguist a brain teaser par excellence.
Happy new year Tony.
Sanjin
p.s It would be nice from the asker to provide context so we can determine what is the right translation. @Asker-por favor-SVP-please-bitte-prego....
Tony M Dec 31, 2020:
@ Sanjin What is worst is that as fellow-translators (we suppose), askers ought to know what sort of material constitutes "surrounding context" — yet appear not to!
Possibly the reason some questions get asked is because people don't glean the information available from the rest of their document. When I ask a question, I do it always having reached the end of the document, by which time many things will have become clear all on their own!
Sanjin Grandić Dec 31, 2020:
L'eternel contexte a chaque fois on doit hurler, prier, demander, supplier du contexte -:)
pas chez tout le monde mais...
Tony M Dec 31, 2020:
@ Asker: CONTEXT? It all depends on the context of course, but various type of 'pot' have been used for certain types of connections. Is this text from the US? And what sort of scale of installation are we talking about here? You must at least have an idea what the overall document is talking about?
Sanjin Grandić Dec 31, 2020:
Electricity "brass pot by taping over tails and pot with electrical tape." -" junction box."- it is clear that the text or the context is about electricity. I don't see what else could it be than a shortend, casual version of potentiometer which is long, hence the abbreviation...
Alexander Akel Dec 31, 2020:
Difficile dans le contexte. Je ne comprends pas où ce "pot" intervient dans l'assemblage.
https://www.mscpltd.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/mscp-mi-ca...

Sinon "pot / pot à souder / pot de soudure"
https://fr.farnell.com/c/outils-fournitures-de-production/st...
Thomas Miles Dec 28, 2020:
'pot' in French And yet one finds 'pot' used in French, for example: https://stid-security.com/fr/services/conception-oem

Proposed translations

11 mins

Bocal

Declined
Ou "récipient/vase", un terme assez générique (compliqué sans plus de contexte)
Peer comment(s):
neutral Sanjin Grandić : je ne dirais pas que c est un recipient mais l acronyme d un potentiometre...bonne annee-:)
2 days 19 hrs
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2 days 12 hrs

(un) potentiomètre

Declined
A potentiometer (also known as a pot or potmeter) is defined as a 3 terminal variable resistor in which the resistance is manually varied to control the flow of electric current. A potentiometer acts as an adjustable voltage divider.

Une abbreviation. Meme en francais on trouve une abbreviation : Un potentiomètre (appelé familièrement potard) est un type de résistance variable à trois bornes, dont une est reliée à un curseur se déplaçant sur une piste ..

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Bonne Annee a tous et a toute-desole pas de clavier Azerty sous la main -:)

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Install the cold lead “pot” so that it extends about 2 in (5 cm) above the bottom of the junction box.->So it is electrical engineering, donc potentiometer. Abbreviation anglaise.
A+

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potentiometer

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Potentiometer
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This article is about the electrical component. For the measuring instrument, see Potentiometer (measuring instrument).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potentiometer

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So to avoid confusion if the asker is going to read this at one point in the future -
there is Potentiometer as electrical component (Popt) a Potentiometer as a measuring instrument but this is completely different. I don't see a use for electrical tape in electronics and in the little text we have it is clearly metionned->"...taping over tails and pot with electrical tape...."

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Hell, I can t edit, there is an error in the text above "So to avoid confusion if the asker is going to read this at one point in the future -
there is Potentiometer as electrical component (abbrev. Pot)... a Potentiometer as a measuring instrument but this is completely different. I don't see a use for electrical tape in electronics and in the little text we have it is clearly metionned->"...taping over tails and pot with electrical tape...."-sorry -just wanted to be clear for the asker.

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@Tony @Asker Mystere résolu, au moins en ce qui me concerne. Vous connaissez bien tous les interrupteurs avec potentiomètre pour lampes ou éclairages quelconques et la présence du potentiomètre permet non seulement d'allumer
la lumière mais aussi d'en régler la puissance grâce à la présence d'un potentiomètre justement. En anglais on les appelle "Pot lamps "
Suivez le lien ci-bas

https://www.amazon.ca/INCARLED-Dimmable-Recessed-Downlight-J...

INCARLED 4Inch LED Recessed Slim Pot Light with Junction Box, Dimmable 9W 750LM (12pack, Warm White/3000K)-Pot light is dimmable thanks to the presence of the "POT"-potentiometre.

Tony, man you are an engineer, what is the device that is used in an electrical circuit? And they re talking about electrical tape-all fits in place. I hate to contradict you my friend, just my two cents.. -:)



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What is another word for potentiometer?
Need synonyms for potentiometer? Here's a list of similar words from our thesaurus that you can use instead.
Noun
Electrical component
log POT MV meter rheostat slide POT slider POT thumb POT thumbwheel POT trimmer POT trimPOT variable resistor.

https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/another-word-for/potentiom...
Example sentence:

It may refer to an instrument that measures an unknown emf or voltage by comparing it to a standard emf. ... A potentiometer is also referred to as a variable resistor or pot.

Reference:

http://https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/243324/unable-to-make-a-pot-work-correctly

http://https://www.google.hr/search?sxsrf=ALeKk01AXjYDSVv0NPMCEqqhQV6KTkEP7w%3A1609400236031&source=hp&ei=q3_tX6-DPcqIlwTIyKzADQ&q=+%E2%80%9

Peer comment(s):
disagree Tony M : It's just that 'potentiometer' wouldn't fit at all with the rest of the context; it would actually be more electronics than electrical, by definition what a pot. would be used for. I'm an engineer!
8 hrs
Attention-there is the electric and not electronic device-This article is about the electrical component. For the measuring instrument, see Potentiometer (measuring instrument). Source Wikipedia so "my" potentiometar is an electric and not electronic-
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