Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Italian term or phrase:
i ricchi e i riccastri
English translation:
the rich and the richer/the rich and the über-rich
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Umberto Cassano
Aug 21, 2007 13:38
16 yrs ago
Italian term
i ricchi e i riccastri
Italian to English
Art/Literary
Journalism
"gli ulivi secolari che ***i ricchi e i riccastri*** si fanno portare nei giardini delle loro ville "
Poetastro is "a bad poet". As a suffix "-astro" means contempt on the part of the critic.
With adjectives like "ricco" I still think there's a hint of dislike, especially in this context.
Any ideas ?
Poetastro is "a bad poet". As a suffix "-astro" means contempt on the part of the critic.
With adjectives like "ricco" I still think there's a hint of dislike, especially in this context.
Any ideas ?
Proposed translations
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Aug 25, 2007 20:55: Umberto Cassano Created KOG entry
Aug 25, 2007 20:56: Umberto Cassano changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/128582">Umberto Cassano's</a> old entry - "i ricchi e i riccastri"" to ""the rich and the richer/the rich and the uber rich""
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the rich and the richer
Hi Umberto,
The first thing I thought of was "the rich and the richer" then
I came across a fairly obscure website whixch translates riccastro as stinking rich (which I'm sure is too colloquial by far):
The suffixes -astro/a and -accio/a give the a pejorative connotation:
ricco - rich, riccastro - stinking rich
drawn from Harrap's Italian Grammer
http://tangsweb.o-f.com/languages/italian/grammar.html
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another option but again probably too colloquial:
the filthy rich (current UK usage)
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The Rich Vs. The Filthy Rich
interesting CBS news story
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/11/30/opinion/meyer/main...
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// the rich and the unscrupulous might be another option (the unscrupulous also being rich due to the very trait of being unscrupulous) - but this would only fit if the pejorative connotations of "riccastri" do indeed derive from the method by which they attained their riches in the first place!! And now we're getting way too deep!!!!!!!!
The first thing I thought of was "the rich and the richer" then
I came across a fairly obscure website whixch translates riccastro as stinking rich (which I'm sure is too colloquial by far):
The suffixes -astro/a and -accio/a give the a pejorative connotation:
ricco - rich, riccastro - stinking rich
drawn from Harrap's Italian Grammer
http://tangsweb.o-f.com/languages/italian/grammar.html
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another option but again probably too colloquial:
the filthy rich (current UK usage)
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Note added at 19 mins (2007-08-21 13:58:12 GMT)
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The Rich Vs. The Filthy Rich
interesting CBS news story
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/11/30/opinion/meyer/main...
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Note added at 1 hr (2007-08-21 14:52:19 GMT)
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// the rich and the unscrupulous might be another option (the unscrupulous also being rich due to the very trait of being unscrupulous) - but this would only fit if the pejorative connotations of "riccastri" do indeed derive from the method by which they attained their riches in the first place!! And now we're getting way too deep!!!!!!!!
Note from asker:
"stinking rich" was one of my options but I agree is far too colloquial...I think here riccastro is slightly more contemptuous than "richer" |
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Comment: "Grazie Ivana per aver fornito molte soluzioni ed averle anticipate prima di tutti ! Anche la proposta di Claire è estremamente interessante ma non posso dividere i punti KudoZ ! Mi dispiace."
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the rich and nuveaux riches
è solo un'idea...
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Nouveau riche
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For bands under the name "Nouveau Riche", see Nouveau Riche (band).
Nouveau riche (French for "new rich"), or new money refers to persons who acquire wealth within their generation. It is generally used to emphasize that the persons were previously part of a lower economic or social class, and that the acquisition of wealth has provided the ability to do or to have things that were previously out of their reach.
The term can also be used in a derogatory fashion, for the purposes of social class distinction, to describe persons with newfound wealth and who are viewed as lacking the experience, finesse, or taste to use wealth in the same manner as old money - persons from families who have been wealthy for multiple generations. The implication is that, despite their wealth, they are still of lower- or middle-class origin, and therefore culturally inferior. A stereotypical example would be persons with new wealth who spend money conspicuously, or who show preferences for things normally associated with people from lower economic classes.
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Nouveau riche
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
For bands under the name "Nouveau Riche", see Nouveau Riche (band).
Nouveau riche (French for "new rich"), or new money refers to persons who acquire wealth within their generation. It is generally used to emphasize that the persons were previously part of a lower economic or social class, and that the acquisition of wealth has provided the ability to do or to have things that were previously out of their reach.
The term can also be used in a derogatory fashion, for the purposes of social class distinction, to describe persons with newfound wealth and who are viewed as lacking the experience, finesse, or taste to use wealth in the same manner as old money - persons from families who have been wealthy for multiple generations. The implication is that, despite their wealth, they are still of lower- or middle-class origin, and therefore culturally inferior. A stereotypical example would be persons with new wealth who spend money conspicuously, or who show preferences for things normally associated with people from lower economic classes.
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Juliet Halewood (X)
: I like this one too!
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Thank you, Jules!
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the old and the new money
maybe
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the rich and the super rich
If the suffix 'astro' refers to extreme wealth (namely to stinking rich as Ivana points out) then this is my take. If it refers to newly enriched individuals then 'nouveau rich' would be of preference.
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the rich and the parvenu
Un'alternativa
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Graziano Scaldaferri (X)
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halifax
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the rich and the über-rich
über is commonly used nowadays and I think it has the slightly derogatory connation you are looking for.
the rich, and the flash, is another possibility.
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Or
the haves and the have-mores.
the rich, and the flash, is another possibility.
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Or
the haves and the have-mores.
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the wealthy and the rich
Hi Umberto
I wouldn't stray too far from the ST - I think "the rich" has the negative overtones you need
I found this rather amusing:
http://www.jpmartin.com/investment/being-rich-vs-being-wealt...
I wouldn't stray too far from the ST - I think "the rich" has the negative overtones you need
I found this rather amusing:
http://www.jpmartin.com/investment/being-rich-vs-being-wealt...
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rich and filthy rich
From:
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/filthy-rich.html
Meaning
Very rich, possibly having become so by unfair means.
Origin
This little phrase can't be explained without looking at the word lucre. From the 14th century lucre has meant money and is referred to as such by no less writers than Chaucer and John Wyclif. These references generally included a negative connotation and gave rise to the terms "foul lucre" and "filthy lucre", which have been in use since the 16th century. "Filthy lucre" appears first in print in 1526 in the works of William Tindale:
"Teachinge thinges which they ought not, because of filthy lucre."
Tindale was here using the term to mean dishonourable gain.
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/filthy-rich.html
Meaning
Very rich, possibly having become so by unfair means.
Origin
This little phrase can't be explained without looking at the word lucre. From the 14th century lucre has meant money and is referred to as such by no less writers than Chaucer and John Wyclif. These references generally included a negative connotation and gave rise to the terms "foul lucre" and "filthy lucre", which have been in use since the 16th century. "Filthy lucre" appears first in print in 1526 in the works of William Tindale:
"Teachinge thinges which they ought not, because of filthy lucre."
Tindale was here using the term to mean dishonourable gain.
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simona dachille
: BBC NEWS | Business | Filthy rich and femaleWhat is the secret of the UK's growing army of millionaire women?
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Thanks Simona!
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potra
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Hello and thanks Potra
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Claire Restivo
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Thank you Claire!
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Juliet Halewood (X)
: yes, or even stinking rich
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Hi and thank you Jules!
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Linda 969
: Hi - Just wanted to point out that Ivana had already suggested this when you posted it
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Hi Linda. I did not see that when I answered and apologize if anybody's feelings were hurt
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Peter Cox
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Thanks Peter!
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Pnina
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