Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Feb 20, 2011 09:40
13 yrs ago
English term
riddle
English to Italian
Tech/Engineering
Furniture / Household Appliances
Religious furniture
Buongiorno,
sto traducendo un libro dedicato all'architettura e agli arredi delle chiese nelle varie epoche storiche.
Trovo questa descrizione di una sorta di trono contornato di angeli:
The angels shown here top the poles called riddle posts which support the riddle curtains in between.
L'unico riferimento che ho trovato è in un sito che pubblicizza arredi sacri di tipo neogotico. Qualcuno sa come posso tradurre riddle e quindi riddle post e riddle curtain?
Grazie
sto traducendo un libro dedicato all'architettura e agli arredi delle chiese nelle varie epoche storiche.
Trovo questa descrizione di una sorta di trono contornato di angeli:
The angels shown here top the poles called riddle posts which support the riddle curtains in between.
L'unico riferimento che ho trovato è in un sito che pubblicizza arredi sacri di tipo neogotico. Qualcuno sa come posso tradurre riddle e quindi riddle post e riddle curtain?
Grazie
Proposed translations
(Italian)
| 3 +5 | da altare |
cynthiatesser
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| 3 | baldacchino |
Lucrezia Amedeo
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| 2 | misterioso/riddle |
Raffaele Brevetti
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Change log
Feb 23, 2011 09:28: cynthiatesser Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
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58 mins
cynthiatesser
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da altare
supporti per tende da altare
Riddel curtains are curtains surrounding the altar as, for example, in the picture below.
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=172613
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Note added at 1 hr (2011-02-20 11:09:16 GMT)
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io specificherei: tende da altare del tipo detto "riddle", visto che non sembra esserci corrispondenza in italiano
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Note added at 23 hrs (2011-02-21 09:16:14 GMT)
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puoi dire anche: tende/drappi a pannello
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Note added at 2 days23 hrs (2011-02-23 09:27:20 GMT) Post-grading
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Grazie!
Riddel curtains are curtains surrounding the altar as, for example, in the picture below.
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=172613
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Note added at 1 hr (2011-02-20 11:09:16 GMT)
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io specificherei: tende da altare del tipo detto "riddle", visto che non sembra esserci corrispondenza in italiano
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Note added at 23 hrs (2011-02-21 09:16:14 GMT)
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puoi dire anche: tende/drappi a pannello
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Note added at 2 days23 hrs (2011-02-23 09:27:20 GMT) Post-grading
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Grazie!
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Comment: "grazie!"
20 mins
misterioso/riddle
Effettivamente ci sono pochissimi riferimenti a questi elementi, sebbene si riferiscano tutti allo stesso periodo storico.
Il termine "misterioso" mi è venuto in mente dalla definizione del genere poetico riddle:
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riddle
Ho trovato poi un altro link che riporta i riddle posts:
http://www.norfolkchurches.co.uk/suffield/suffield.htm
Spero ti aiutino, sono spiacente di non essere più utile di così! In bocca al lupo!
Il termine "misterioso" mi è venuto in mente dalla definizione del genere poetico riddle:
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riddle
Ho trovato poi un altro link che riporta i riddle posts:
http://www.norfolkchurches.co.uk/suffield/suffield.htm
Spero ti aiutino, sono spiacente di non essere più utile di così! In bocca al lupo!
8 hrs
baldacchino
"Certainly, riddle posts do not in themselves constitute a rite, whether Sarum or any other. Actually, riddel curtains (the word riddel is derived from the French rideau, simply meaning a curtain, including domestic curtains for windows) are not exclusively English – I saw some in Bruges, Belgium, a few weeks ago. They can also be found occasionally in the north of France and parts of Germany. It’s a part of the northern European liturgical culture, though their origin is the curtains that hid the altar in the early Roman Church. The rails are still on the baldachinos of some of the old Roman basilicas. Our riddel posts are merely the relic of the four baldachino pillars."
http://www.theanglocatholic.com/2010/01/four-riddel-posts/
Baldacchino
In origine il termine (orientale) indicava quattro aste che reggevano
un drappo di stoffa posta sopra un oggetto o un personaggio importante
Oggi indica una copertura retta da quattro colonne
http://www.itcgcalamandrei.it/spazio_docenti/guaita/III/lezi...
http://www.theanglocatholic.com/2010/01/four-riddel-posts/
Baldacchino
In origine il termine (orientale) indicava quattro aste che reggevano
un drappo di stoffa posta sopra un oggetto o un personaggio importante
Oggi indica una copertura retta da quattro colonne
http://www.itcgcalamandrei.it/spazio_docenti/guaita/III/lezi...
Reference comments
50 mins
cynthiatesser
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Works in: English to Italian, French to Italian, Italian
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Reference:
riddle curtains
Forse sono quelle che si vedono nella foto. Sembrano due tende laterali
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Note added at 53 mins (2011-02-20 10:33:54 GMT)
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Qui sembra dire che sono tende che costituiscono lo sfondo dell'altare
http://books.google.it/books?id=1dd70E-chqwC&pg=PA100&lpg=PA...
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Note added at 53 mins (2011-02-20 10:33:54 GMT)
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Qui sembra dire che sono tende che costituiscono lo sfondo dell'altare
http://books.google.it/books?id=1dd70E-chqwC&pg=PA100&lpg=PA...
2 hrs
Ivana Giuliani
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High-quality, accurate translations.
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Works in: French to Italian, Italian to French, English to Italian, and 5 more.
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Reference:
riddel curtains
books.google.it/books?isbn=1904006132...
riddel(I) or riddle. In a church, the curtains suspended around an altar, sometimes from rods fixed into the wall behind, but more often from some means of hanging spanning between riddel-posts: there were normally four of the last, polygonal on plan, coloured and gilded, and crowned by angels, often supporting candelabra. Arrangements of riddels behind and around altars seem to have been not uncommon in England towards the end of the Gothic period, in the decades immediately before the iconoclasm of C16, and were revived in the early C20 during the late flowering of the Gothic Revival, notably by Comper and Temple Moore.
http://rhodeislandaltars.org/category/terms-and-origins/
Actually, riddel curtains (the word riddel is derived from the French rideau, simply meaning a curtain, including domestic curtains for ...
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http://www.sspxusa.org/acss/rubrics/general/The-Sanctuary-an...
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Note added at 3 ore (2011-02-20 12:43:38 GMT)
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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~temples/gl...
riddel(I) or riddle. In a church, the curtains suspended around an altar, sometimes from rods fixed into the wall behind, but more often from some means of hanging spanning between riddel-posts: there were normally four of the last, polygonal on plan, coloured and gilded, and crowned by angels, often supporting candelabra. Arrangements of riddels behind and around altars seem to have been not uncommon in England towards the end of the Gothic period, in the decades immediately before the iconoclasm of C16, and were revived in the early C20 during the late flowering of the Gothic Revival, notably by Comper and Temple Moore.
http://rhodeislandaltars.org/category/terms-and-origins/
Actually, riddel curtains (the word riddel is derived from the French rideau, simply meaning a curtain, including domestic curtains for ...
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Note added at 2 ore (2011-02-20 12:39:47 GMT)
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http://www.sspxusa.org/acss/rubrics/general/The-Sanctuary-an...
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Note added at 3 ore (2011-02-20 12:43:38 GMT)
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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~temples/gl...
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