Glossary entry

Dutch term or phrase:

,al dan niet rechtspersoonlijk, samenwerkingsverband

English translation:

or in any other working relationship/joint venture, irrespective of whether this is in a separate

Added to glossary by CateA (X)
Mar 21, 2005 15:42
19 yrs ago
Dutch term

,al dan niet rechtspersoonlijk, samenwerkingsverband

Dutch to English Other Law: Contract(s)
Indien X voornemens is zijn werkzaamheden te verrichten in een door hem gecontroleerde (besloten) vennootschap of enige andere, al dan niet rechtspersoonlijk, samenwerkingsverband is hij gehouden zulks onmiddellijk schriftelijk aan Y mede te delen.

This is from a "overeenkomst van opdracht", and I am also translating the accompanying "samenwerkingsovereenkomst". X and Y are the Parties.

I am not sure about the "rechtspersoonlijke, samenwerkingsverband" bit. My draft translation is:

If X intends to carry out his work in a (private limited) company controlled by him or in any other company, whether or not a ??? joint venture??, he must immediately inform Y of this in writing.

Any help with this bit would be much appreciated.

Discussion

Non-ProZ.com Mar 21, 2005:
Context: Thanks Jarry and Debbie for your help. I will go for the widest possible sense as you rightly advise, becuase there is nothing in the text to indicate a need for a more restrictive translation. Plus, as you say, this clause is to ensure that the Party concerned is informed of practically every scenario. Thanks very much!
jarry (X) Mar 21, 2005:
"Samenwerkingsverband" has a multitude of meanings in Dutch, including: alliance, partnership, collaborative partnership, co-operative deal, joint venture, collaborative joint venture, collaborative relationship, co-operative association (continued below)

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or in any other working relationship/joint venture, irrespective of whether this is in a separate

legal entity

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Note added at 51 mins (2005-03-21 16:34:12 GMT)
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yep Jarry is right - was typing further before this went offline - it can cover any form of cooperation - I\'d aim here with no further clues in your text for the widest possible translation because that is the intention of a clause like this - joint venture is abit restrictive unless your text has further info.

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Note added at 55 mins (2005-03-21 16:38:37 GMT)
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I\'d say generally: working relationship/form of cooperation / cooperative association or collaborative relationship are the widest choices here - you need to go wide because (a) you dont know that it specifically a partnership or joint venture which have their own legal defintions and (b) the reason for a clause like this is to make sure notice is given under the widest possible circumstances.
Peer comment(s):

agree jarry (X) : See other meanings of "Samenwerkingsverband" below
43 mins
thanks - I agree with you, I think Tracey should go for the most generalised/widest choice here than be restrictive, unless the remainder of her text suggests otherwise - thanks!
agree Arsen Nazarian
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thanks Sevan!
agree Tina Vonhof (X) : I would choose 'collaborative relationship'.
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thanks Tina, I'm alwys a bit nervous about the term collaboration as it has a negative meaning too and so I try steer clear, but in this context not a problem
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks very much to all of you - very helpful responses!"
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"Samenwerkingsverband" has a multitude of meanings in Dutch, including: alliance, partnership, collaborative partnership, co-operative deal, joint venture, collaborative joint venture, collaborative relationship, co-operative association, co-operative arrangement, co-operation scheme, co-operation grouping, interest grouping, grouping, union, consortium, business combination and pooling of interests.
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