Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Dutch term or phrase:
vakbekwamen personen; vakbekwaam persoon (code BA5)
English translation:
skilled persons; skilled person (code BA5)
Added to glossary by
Michael Beijer
Jun 16, 2011 14:49
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Vakbekwamen; vakbekwaam persoon (code BA5)
Dutch to English
Tech/Engineering
Electronics / Elect Eng
Belgian General Regulations for Electrical Installations (“Algemeen Reglement op de Elektrische Installaties
Training given to employees working in electrical installations in Belgium whereby they can receive "BA5 certification" and are then able to call themselves a so-called "Vakbekwame persoon."
Has anyone perhaps come across an English translation of this term?
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"In elke onderneming zorgt elektriciteit voor potentiële risico's waaraan werknemers kunnen blootgesteld worden. Elektrische installaties zijn daarom onderworpen aan strikte reglementen en controles. Maar ook een degelijke informatie en opleiding aan en van de werknemers maken deel uit van de preventiemaatregelen die de werkgever moet nemen.
Voor de personen die werkzaamheden uitvoeren aan elektrische installaties voorziet de wetgeving de verplichting voor de werkgever in een specifieke opleiding aan medewerkers die deze taken moeten uitvoeren.
Volgens de aard van de uit te voeren taken moet men een specifieke vorming voorzien. Men maakt hierbij het onderscheid in een opleiding tot een gewaarschuwd persoon (code BA4) of een ***vakbekwaam persoon (code BA5)***.
De werkgever kent aan zijn werknemers volgens hun bekwaamheid de code BA4 of BA5 toe.
BA4 en BA5
Code Omschrijving Voorwaarden
BA4 Gewaarschuwden Personen die:
ofwel voldoende onderricht worden aangaande de elektrische risico’s
ofwel permanent worden bewaakt door een vakbekwaam persoon
BA5 ***Vakbekwamen*** Personen die via kennis, verkregen door opleiding of ervaring, de gevaren verbonden aan de uit te voeren werkzaamheden zelf kunnen inschatten, en maatregelen treffen om de daaruit voortvloeiende specifieke risico’s te elimineren of tot een minimum te beperken" (http://www.beswic.be/nl/training/electricity/front-page)
Has anyone perhaps come across an English translation of this term?
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"In elke onderneming zorgt elektriciteit voor potentiële risico's waaraan werknemers kunnen blootgesteld worden. Elektrische installaties zijn daarom onderworpen aan strikte reglementen en controles. Maar ook een degelijke informatie en opleiding aan en van de werknemers maken deel uit van de preventiemaatregelen die de werkgever moet nemen.
Voor de personen die werkzaamheden uitvoeren aan elektrische installaties voorziet de wetgeving de verplichting voor de werkgever in een specifieke opleiding aan medewerkers die deze taken moeten uitvoeren.
Volgens de aard van de uit te voeren taken moet men een specifieke vorming voorzien. Men maakt hierbij het onderscheid in een opleiding tot een gewaarschuwd persoon (code BA4) of een ***vakbekwaam persoon (code BA5)***.
De werkgever kent aan zijn werknemers volgens hun bekwaamheid de code BA4 of BA5 toe.
BA4 en BA5
Code Omschrijving Voorwaarden
BA4 Gewaarschuwden Personen die:
ofwel voldoende onderricht worden aangaande de elektrische risico’s
ofwel permanent worden bewaakt door een vakbekwaam persoon
BA5 ***Vakbekwamen*** Personen die via kennis, verkregen door opleiding of ervaring, de gevaren verbonden aan de uit te voeren werkzaamheden zelf kunnen inschatten, en maatregelen treffen om de daaruit voortvloeiende specifieke risico’s te elimineren of tot een minimum te beperken" (http://www.beswic.be/nl/training/electricity/front-page)
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 +5 | skilled persons; skilled person |
Josephine Isaacs (X)
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| 5 | Tradesman |
Dave Greatrix
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| 4 | competent person |
Maria Danielson
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| 3 -1 | qualified person, qualified electrician |
TechLawDC
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Change log
Jun 16, 2011 22:16: writeaway changed "Language pair" from "Flemish to English" to "Dutch to English" , "Field (write-in)" from "Belgian General Regulations for Electrical Installations (“Algemeen Reglement op de Elektrische Installaties\", AREI)" to "Belgian General Regulations for Electrical Installations (“Algemeen Reglement op de Elektrische Installaties"
Jun 20, 2011 19:25: Michael Beijer changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/652138">Michael Beijer's</a> old entry - "vakbekwamen personen / vakbekwaam persoon (code BA5)"" to ""skilled persons (code BA5); skilled person""
Proposed translations
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8 hrs
Selected
skilled persons; skilled person
www.issa.int/content/download/78505/1532586/file/J%20Juhling.pdf
Electrically Skilled Person
A person with relevant vocational education, knowledge and experience to
enable him or her to analyse risks and to avoid hazards which electricity
could create.( EN 50110 „Operation of electrical installations“)
Electrically Skilled Person
A person with relevant vocational education, knowledge and experience to
enable him or her to analyse risks and to avoid hazards which electricity
could create.( EN 50110 „Operation of electrical installations“)
Note from asker:
| Thanks Josephine! Eriks's link above solves the problem for this question, and my other question (http://www.proz.com/kudoz/dutch_to_english/electronics_elect_eng/4404328-gewaarschuwden%3B_gewaarschuwde_personen_code_ba4.html#9856946) |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Erik Boers
: It's an international code: BA4 = instructed, BA5 = skilled (see http://www.electrical-installation.org/wiki/List_of_external...
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Thank you Eric
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Jack den Haan
: Quite agree with Erik too. This is official terminology.
8 hrs
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Thank you Jack
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| agree |
W Schouten
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Thank you
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| agree |
Johan Venter
12 hrs
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Thank you Johan
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| agree |
F Scott Ophof (X)
: Nailed it!
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Thank you
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks Josephine!"
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11 hrs
qualified person, qualified electrician
("qualified" implies that there is a formal process of qualification. "skilled" does not carry this connotation.)
Note from asker:
| Can someone here point to a reference showing a consistent use of (two) English terms OTHER than "skilled" and "instructed" [for "Gewaarschuwden Personen (BA4)", + "Vakbekwamen Personen (BA5)"] in connection with "External influences" in standard IEC 60364-5-51? If not, it would seem that "skilled/instructed" should be used as the English standard terms here. |
| E.g., here is a UK website (The Electrician's Guide, to the 16th Edition IEE Regulations), that uses the term "skilled" for Ba5: http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Book/2.4.3.htm ... |
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
FreeHansje
: I completely agree, but the link given in previous comment is very clear.
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There is no evidence that "skilled" and "instructed" are the internationally accepted terms in English. "International English" websites are always suspect.
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Jack den Haan
: I quite agree with your response to FreeHansje, but this term is based on and used in an internationally accepted standard (IEC 60364-5-51).
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F Scott Ophof (X)
: The definition of 'vakbekwaam' in the source does not even hint at formal qualification. So the explanation given by TechLawDC disqualifies the term 'qualified' as answer. Sorry for the pun.
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Dave Greatrix
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
United Kingdom
Dutch to English Technical Translator
Native in: English
Works in: Dutch to English, Flemish to English
Related KudoZ points
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24
Tradesman
If you have been trained in a specific trade, you are a tradesman.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tradesman
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tradesman
23 hrs
Maria Danielson
United States
United States
Native in English
United States
Dutch into English since 1991
Native in: English
Works in: Dutch to English, English, Flemish to English
Related KudoZ points
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4
competent person
Local Authority Building Control
A Competent Person is a business that has been adjudged to be sufficiently competent to self-certify that its work complies with Part P of the Building Regulations of England and Wales.
A Competent Person must be registered with a scheme that has been approved by The Department for Communities and Local Government (DCLG). Schemes authorised by the DCLG are listed on its website at http://www.communities.gov.uk.
To understand why you should use a Competent Person, click here to download the consumer booklet.
This website has been developed by a collaboration of all of the approved scheme providers to provide the consumer with the ability to search for a Competent Person registered with one of the schemes.
While compliance with Part P of the Building Regulations is compulsory, registration with a Competent Person Scheme is not. Businesses carrying out work covered by the Building Regulations are encouraged to join one of the government's approved schemes. Alternatively, they may choose to continue to use a building control body.
Currently this site is dedicated to Part P of the Building Regulations, which is related to electrical safety in the home. It is intended that members of other Competent Person schemes will be included on this site at some time in the future.
For information of jobs that you must notify to building control, click here.
Click here to go to the search page
A Competent Person is a business that has been adjudged to be sufficiently competent to self-certify that its work complies with Part P of the Building Regulations of England and Wales.
A Competent Person must be registered with a scheme that has been approved by The Department for Communities and Local Government (DCLG). Schemes authorised by the DCLG are listed on its website at http://www.communities.gov.uk.
To understand why you should use a Competent Person, click here to download the consumer booklet.
This website has been developed by a collaboration of all of the approved scheme providers to provide the consumer with the ability to search for a Competent Person registered with one of the schemes.
While compliance with Part P of the Building Regulations is compulsory, registration with a Competent Person Scheme is not. Businesses carrying out work covered by the Building Regulations are encouraged to join one of the government's approved schemes. Alternatively, they may choose to continue to use a building control body.
Currently this site is dedicated to Part P of the Building Regulations, which is related to electrical safety in the home. It is intended that members of other Competent Person schemes will be included on this site at some time in the future.
For information of jobs that you must notify to building control, click here.
Click here to go to the search page
Reference:
Discussion
"BA: Bekwaamheid van personen" = "BA: Capability of persons"; "BA4: Gewaarschuwden personen" = "BA4: Instructed persons"; "BA5: Vakbekwamen personen" = "BA5: Skilled persons"
(http://www.electrical-installation.org/wiki/List_of_external...