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Glossary entry

Czech term or phrase:

papundekl

English translation:

paperboard

Added to glossary by Pavel Blann
Mar 15, 2006 15:25
18 yrs ago
Czech term

papundeckel, papndekl, ???

Czech to English Tech/Engineering Architecture home decorating, materials
I'm not sure how this word is spelled, I can't find it in any dictionaries either on paper or online. I will need the correct spelling as well as an identification. It is some kind of artificial building material used in the interiors of panelak buildings. I think it might be either Masonite or Formica in English.
Proposed translations (English)
4 paperboard
4 +3 papundekl/cardboard
5 +2 cardboard
4 -3 plasterboard

Discussion

Maria Chmelarova Mar 16, 2006:
For umakart see:www.teluria.cz/index3.php. Sololit is hardboard more like masonit. Plasterboard in USA is called dry wall. The aluminium frame hold together "umakar" unit (nucleus)/umakartove jadro. It has nothing to do with framing.
Radovan Pletka Mar 16, 2006:
fire hazard, production of poisonous fumes, containing known carcinogenes and other deadly stuff, etc, etc. Remember, communist liked when people died a day after they took their retirement, so some poison in the wall was not a big deal for them
Radovan Pletka Mar 16, 2006:
I dont think that you will find exact translation as those materials are not the same, you can only describe them as similar to something. I would dare to say that most of old Czech contruction materials from that period would be illegal to use in US
Melinda Reidinger (asker) Mar 16, 2006:
I don't think that plasterboard (known in America as "drywall") is right, it seems to have been introduced to the C.R. more recently. I still think we are talking about something called Masonite in English. Masonite is made from wood dust or splinters and, besides being used in cheap furniture, is also sometimes used by painters because it is cheaper than canvas and doesn't require stretching. Still, though, I'm not sure and that's why I'm turning to you guys for advice.

My Czech husband says that papundekl was often covered with "sololit," which is perhaps like Formica?

The aluminum stuff is used for framing. Do you know of a correct way to describe it?
Radovan Pletka Mar 16, 2006:
Sarka is the resident architect and building expert, so this question should be adressed to her, I am sure she will respond, I always ask her for advice. Formica looks quite similar to some of materials used at that time. That aluminium system = framing?
Maria Chmelarova Mar 16, 2006:
Teraz je to vsetko jasne, ked ste medzi sebou rozviedli debatu. Bytovky zo 70-80 rokov maju medzi kuchynou kupelnou a WC panelove jadro. Nie je to Formica, to je trade name ani Masonite to je material, ktory je podobny press paper. Viacej pod M.Ch.
Melinda Reidinger (asker) Mar 16, 2006:
This term came up repeatedly in interviews I have been doing for my research on Czech chatareni and chalupareni. The context was people describing the things they hate about panelak apartments, and this material is often mentioned. Some people say that there are a few freaks who even used the papundekl in their chalupy, maybe because they were able to acquire it cheaply or for free.

The period we are dealing with is mainly the 1970s and '80s.

Mr. Pletka: you mention some other weird materials used in the toilet and bath walls. What would you call that stuff? And how could you accurately describe the aluminum bracket systems that hold those walls in place?

Also, I think some people (not construction experts) have called what I would call Formica countertops papundekl. Is that a mistake, or are these materials similar?
Dylan Edwards Mar 16, 2006:
Does the word stand on its own in a list of materials, or is it in a sentence? Is it the sort of text that's likely to use a nickname rather than the official name of a material? It might be some kind of fibreboard but I can't be sure.
Dylan Edwards Mar 16, 2006:
All I can find is various references to "papundeklové" dveře (v panelácích) - with the word "papundeklové" in quotes in most cases, which surely means that it's not to be taken literally?
Radovan Pletka Mar 15, 2006:
of toilet and bath, they used some really weird stuff there in those old walls
Radovan Pletka Mar 15, 2006:
so even the time period is important, as plasterborads are used only recently. Hobra, Heraklit and other stuff can be called papundekl easily to indicate that it is not too sturdy. If you are talking about the inside of the apartment, especially the walls
Radovan Pletka Mar 15, 2006:
Unless you give us more details, you have only 50/50 chance to be right. Carborad is literary translation, but without a picture it will be only a guessing game. There was some other weird czech construction stuff, which can have been nicknamed papundelk,

Proposed translations

1 day 2 hrs
Selected

paperboard

Comes from German: Pappendeckel
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "This seems to be the best equivent. Thanks!"
+3
3 mins

papundekl/cardboard

Czech "papundekl"
English "cardboard"
Peer comment(s):
agree Veronika Hansova : Papundekl je karton, lepenka...
2 mins
Díky, Veroniko :-)
disagree John Newton (X) : It is NOT cardboard, but a slang expression for PLASTERBOARD, used for dry-lining walls
11 mins
agree Sarka Rubkova : It comes originally from german and this is correct answer
33 mins
Díky :-)
agree Radovan Pletka : you are correct literary, but it may be different, not very sturday material
8 hrs
Thanks :-)
agree kurecova
1 day 4 hrs
Díky, Karin :-)
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-3
22 mins
Czech term (edited): papundeckel, papndekl, ???, sadrokarton

plasterboard

This can be both cardboard and plasterboard, but judging from the asker's context, John must be right. Lepenka is never used for interior building except perhaps for some Gipsy slums.

Any points awarded to this answer should go to John - but John, you need to post *your* own answer to get them :-)

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Note added at 49 mins (2006-03-15 16:14:27 GMT)
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Not sure about construction people slang - you are the expert Sarka - but among laymen, it's quote common to talk about 'panelakove steny z papundeklu' which by no means can be lepenka. Any other suggestion Sarka?
Peer comment(s):
disagree Sarka Rubkova : Papundeckel is not plasterboard - neither as a slang among people working with it - sorry -
13 mins
disagree Veronika Hansova : german: Pappen - lepenka, Pappendeckel - lepenka, lepenkové víko. And I think "lepenka" was used for insulation too, around piping etc. (but I am not an expert ;-))))
42 mins
Veronika, I agree cardboard is the only right and correct translation 'per se'. But I don't think it fits the question's context. Google Formica and Masonite - that's not about lepenka, I am afraid. As to lepenka's use for pipe insulation, I never heard
disagree Radovan Pletka : you may be right, if this is some renovation in last 15 years, otherwise no. Because of 70.-80 timeframe specified, it is not correct
7 hrs
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+2
7 mins

cardboard

papundekl v. papndekl

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Note added at 23 hrs (2006-03-16 14:45:05 GMT)
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Vzhladom na debatu cardboard nie je vyraz ktory hladate. Bytove jadra-laminatove, neviem ci nieco podobne existuje na zapade, sa svojim vzhladom podobaju materialu, ktory sa (v USA) pouziva na "skraslenie " stien v chalupach, ale aj v niektorych domoch. Vola sa to paneling, wlll-paneling. Moze byt s roznou povrchovou upravou, takze na prvy pohlad sa da tazko usudit ci sa jedna o pravu stenu alebu nahrazku.



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Note added at 1 day7 hrs (2006-03-16 22:31:18 GMT)
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Found the name of it.
They used to call them as "umakart" , "panelakove umakartove jadro" an in dictionary "umakart " is translated as formica.
In USA Formica is trade name for material covering kitchen counter tops. Not sure in UK.
Peer comment(s):
agree Sarka Rubkova : see above
30 mins
Dakujem.
agree ladka
2 hrs
Dakujem, Ladka.
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